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Drop spindles -- Any warnings or advice?

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Drop spindles -- Any warnings or advice?

Postby DRIVEN on Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:41 pm

I recently picked up a set of vintage Appliance Wiremags and I'm in the process of polishing them and selecting tires. I was planning to adjust my ride height once I get them on. Preliminary measurements indicate that I'll be looking at about a 2" drop. Since there are soooo many spring options out there, I thought I would simplify my life and just go with some drop spindles. So, here's my questions for all you guys who have gone this route;
Are there any manufacturers to avoid? Any issues to be aware of? Any real bargains I should check out? Did you regret using spindles instead of springs?
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Re: Drop spindles -- Any warnings or advice?

Postby megaladon6 on Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:23 pm

g-body spindles already have absolutely shitty geometry. drop spindles just make things work. now if this is a show car or something like that (ie won't ever be driven for handling) you're ok.
if you want handling, the best thing is the s-10 blazer spindles with dual piston calipers, and SC&C's stage 2 kit, with eibach or SPC springs. the spindles do nothing for handling, but they do use hub bearings and much better brakes.
FYI, b-body and f-body spindles slightly improve handling, but it's not worth it. the SC&C setup is much better without the compromises
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Re: Drop spindles -- Any warnings or advice?

Postby patmckinneyracing on Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:42 pm

I picked up a set of brand new s10 drop spindles off ebay for $120 and used 5660 moog springs and I have absolutely no complaints. This gives my car excellent handling and strong resistance to body roll. It's not a hard ride, but also not too soft, if that makes sense.
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Re: Drop spindles -- Any warnings or advice?

Postby drogg1 on Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:05 pm

Did you cut those springs pat?
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Re: Drop spindles -- Any warnings or advice?

Postby 1983regal on Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:18 pm

I do not understand why everyone says drop spindles make the steering geometry worse, they only change the centerline of the spindle. A dropped spindle does not affect ride quality and does not affect the alignment. Please explain how it affects these items. I have had a set of drop spindles on my blazer for almost ten years without having it aligned after install, without any abnormal wear on my tires. My tires have almost 50,000 miles and probably still at least 8/32's left of tread. Either my vehicle defies logic or they do not affect the vehicle like everyone thinks. I would recommend drop spindles over springs for ride quality. Just my opinion. I have ground force spindles on my blazer not a single problem in ten years.
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Re: Drop spindles -- Any warnings or advice?

Postby patmckinneyracing on Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:41 pm

Nope I did not cut the coils. I tried cutting the coils a few years ago and kept the stock spindles. That screwed up the geometry big time. Drop spindles without cutting the 5660 coils is the way to go.
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Re: Drop spindles -- Any warnings or advice?

Postby DRIVEN on Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:45 am

My car has stock springs and certainly won't be raced. The ride quality is fine but most importantly - I know the ride height and the feel of the ride. All that would be affected by the spindles would be the ride height. The geometry is probably as good as it will be. It seems that springs for these cars can be somewhat of a wild card along with affecting the geometry. I figure spindles are more of a sure bet. While searching around I've found prices from $120 - $500. Is there any difference that I'll notice on a driver?
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Re: Drop spindles -- Any warnings or advice?

Postby regalman4925 on Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:55 am

i want to know if the people say that either the springs or the spindles screwed up the geometry had a alignment done or not, without that either one will be screwed up
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Re: Drop spindles -- Any warnings or advice?

Postby pontiacgp on Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:01 am

I have camaro spindles with the 5660 coils with 1/2 coil cut off, lower lower ball joints and a 36 mm bar and car rotates the corners exceptionally well. With my set up the tie rods are parallel to the ground and my uppers are high enough over the horizontal plane. Drop spindles give you a lowered look with none of the advantages of lowering the car to improve the geometry and roll centre.
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Re: Drop spindles -- Any warnings or advice?

Postby drogg1 on Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:02 am

pontiacgp, around how much do you think your setup lowers your ride height? Not an exact figure but a good guess.
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Re: Drop spindles -- Any warnings or advice?

Postby Longroof79 on Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:49 am

Steve,
What's the advantage of using Camaro spindles? Acceptance of larger rotors?
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Re: Drop spindles -- Any warnings or advice?

Postby drogg1 on Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:39 pm

Jack,

Steve can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the advantage of the Camaro spindles is similar to the B-body spindles in that they are taller to improve camber gain and yes, I think they also can accept larger rotors.
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Re: Drop spindles -- Any warnings or advice?

Postby 1979ratrod on Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:35 pm

i have a set of beltech drop spindles on my car and they have been on for the past 2 years. never a problem and they dont mess up your alignment at all. drop spindles are the right way to go. if you want something thats cheap and hacked do drop springs and pay for an alignment. cutting springs or drop springs throw everything off.
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Re: Drop spindles -- Any warnings or advice?

Postby pontiacgp on Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:10 pm

Longroof79 wrote:Steve,
What's the advantage of using Camaro spindles? Acceptance of larger rotors?


the rotors on the camaro are 11". The camaro uses the same calipers and pad that the B body uses with their 12" rotor. It's a toss up whether you gain braking with have more leverage with the 12" rotor or you lose braking with more rotating mass with the 12" rotor. We ran the camaro spindle on the race car then going with a ford 9" with 5x5 bolt pattern we went with the B body since they also came with 5 x5 bolt pattern. The lap times did not change with the different front brake set up and the driver didn't find any difference between the two.

drogg1 wrote:Jack,Steve can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the advantage of the Camaro spindles is similar to the B-body spindles in that they are taller to improve camber gain and yes, I think they also can accept larger rotors.


yes drogg1 your right....the other thing with the tall spindles your upper control arm is above the horizontalline, I also have lowering springs and a tall lower ball joint which means the upper never crosses the horizontal line. That way the inside tire on a turn will push the top of the tire out giving it positive camber so more of the tire is planted on the road, while the outside the suspension is being compressed to increase the negative camber due to the arc of the upper control arm which plants more of the tire onto the road.
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Re: Drop spindles -- Any warnings or advice?

Postby DRIVEN on Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:25 pm

This is a pretty common swap in the '64-'67 Abodys. I run '78 T/A spindles and brakes on my '66 El Camino. In that case it lowers the car by about 1-2" and the handling was noticeably improved. Waaay better braking goes without saying. Tangent concluded :D .
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