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Getting close, time for the dumb questions lol.

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Getting close, time for the dumb questions lol.

Postby Phoenyx on Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:34 pm

OK, so as some of you know I have my car back and hope to have it all done and back on the road in about 3 weeks. So here are some questions I need help with.

First here's my set up:

-1980 Malibu Classic (original 305/200m with peg leg and highway gears)

-7.5 rebuilt (drum to drum) with what I believe is 4.11s (but may be 3.73s), limited slip, support cover, boxed lowers, double adjustable uppers, anti-hop bars, trailing arm braces, and new shocks (all 4).
-Wheels are 24 1.4" tall (closet to stock height I could find for what I wanted).
-B&M TH350 with 2400 stall (have cooler, but not installed yet)
-4 bolt 355 with 10.5:1 compression
-iron Corvette L82 heads (worked over with 202 valves)
-Crane 274 energizer cam - Basic Operating RPM Range 2,200-5,200
Intake Duration at 050 inch Lift 218
Exhaust Duration at 050 inch Lift 218
Duration at 050 inch Lift 218 int./218 exh.
Advertised Intake Duration 274
Advertised Exhaust Duration 274
Advertised Duration 274 int./274 exh.
Intake Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio 0.450 in.
Exhaust Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio 0.450 in.
Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio 0.450 int./0.450 exh.
Lobe Separation (degrees) 106
-Edelbrock carb. Was told it's a 625, but I don't see any 625s listed anywhere. So it's probably a 600 or 650.
-Unknown intake. But I'm sure it works with this combo.
-MSD Streetfire distributor and wires.
-Shorty headers and 2 1/4" or 2" (not sure, but plan to go with 2 1/2 this summer, maybe full lengths too) full duals.

It sounds pretty good, here's a clip (sorry, I just love the sound and had to re post this lol)

0:40-1:00 is the best part 8)

OK so lots left to do before it hits the road. So here are some (dumb) questions:

1. What port do I connect the vacuum line from the transmission to?

2. What port do I connect the vacuum line from the distributor to? I just spent the last hour Googling it, and now I'm more confused than before. Some say it depends on the cam, the type of canister on the distributor, and some say not to hook it up at all. I checked the instructions for the distributor, but they don't even mention it.

3. What should I set my timing at? Have adjustable vacuum can and I believe a stop plate inside.

4. Where to I connect the vacuum line that comes off the thermostat housing (or any other factory ones)?

5. For anyone running an Eddelbrock car and TH350. How do you have your kick down installed? Pics would be nice.

6. What's the best way to mount a tranny cooler (in front of rad type)? And I've always been on team 'mount the cooler inline before the rad cooler' because the car will see -30 (-22 for you down south) and I've heard in that kind of cold the tranny can actually stay too cool without the rad cooler. But this engine will make a lot more heat, so I don't know if I want hot tranny fluid heating my rad and coolant up? What do you all recommend (just want opinions, not a war here lol)

7. And the last one (for now lol). Like I said before, I plan to upgrade my exhaust to 2 1/2" soon. And that will most likely solve this, but I'll as anyway. Right now when the engine revs up fast, it makes that horrible snapping hillbilly farmer exhaust sound. I'm guessing that's just because the pipes are too small? I really hate it and might have to get the exhaust done sooner than planned just because it's embarrassing. And I mean it's really bad. On a scale of 1 -10 (10 being the worst), it's an easy 10. I could also be a glass pack thing? I don't know, never had any real power with glasspacks before lol

Here's a clip I found on youtube of that sound I was talking about:
1980 4-door Malibu Classic
-355 10.5:1, worked over L82 Corvette 202 heads, 274 Energizer hydraulic cam, MSD Streetfire distributor and wires, Edelbrock 625?cfm carb (temporary), shorty headers, 2 1/2" (or maybe even 2") full duels (2 1/2" to come this summer)
-B&M TH350 with 2400 stall
-7.5 with 4.11 limited slip, rebuild drum to drum with support cover
-15" steelies with 24 1/5" tires
-Edelbrock boxed lowers, double adjustable uppers, anti-hop bars, and tubular braces
-jounce bars, GP bar (not installed yet), rad support braces, fender to support braces

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Re: Getting close, time for the dumb questions lol.

Postby 307 Regal on Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:43 pm

I'm gonna ask my dad about this when he gets home but hopefully someone gets back to you before then. He's the one that helped me set up my Holley with a new distributor and he just did the same thing with an Edelbrock on an SBC so hopefully he remembers. If I remember correctly we might have had the distributor unhooked as we set the timing...

EDIT: we also have a TH350 in the car with the Edelbrock. I'll take a look.
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Re: Getting close, time for the dumb questions lol.

Postby Peter on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:02 pm

Wow your car sounds extremely lobey. I got a bigger cam than that in my olds and i dont sound nearly as lobey as you do. what mufflers do you have?
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Re: Getting close, time for the dumb questions lol.

Postby 307 Regal on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:06 pm

Here's where we have the distributor connected:
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And here's where we have the trans kick-down connected:
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I still have the front of the car cover untied if you need anymore pics. The engine is a 305 which for some reason got swapped into a '71 Sprint.
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Re: Getting close, time for the dumb questions lol.

Postby Phoenyx on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:47 pm

Peter wrote:Wow your car sounds extremely lobey. I got a bigger cam than that in my olds and i dont sound nearly as lobey as you do. what mufflers do you have?

Well first off, the idle is still sitting around 600 RPMs, because I haven't touched the carb yet. But it's just going through cheap exhaust shop glasspacks. I think the small pipe might have something to do with it to.
1980 4-door Malibu Classic
-355 10.5:1, worked over L82 Corvette 202 heads, 274 Energizer hydraulic cam, MSD Streetfire distributor and wires, Edelbrock 625?cfm carb (temporary), shorty headers, 2 1/2" (or maybe even 2") full duels (2 1/2" to come this summer)
-B&M TH350 with 2400 stall
-7.5 with 4.11 limited slip, rebuild drum to drum with support cover
-15" steelies with 24 1/5" tires
-Edelbrock boxed lowers, double adjustable uppers, anti-hop bars, and tubular braces
-jounce bars, GP bar (not installed yet), rad support braces, fender to support braces

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Re: Getting close, time for the dumb questions lol.

Postby Phoenyx on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:52 pm

307 Regal wrote:Here's where we have the distributor connected:
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And here's where we have the trans kick-down connected:
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I still have the front of the car cover untied if you need anymore pics. The engine is a 305 which for some reason got swapped into a '71 Sprint.


So I see yours is hooked up to the straight vacuum port. I've always used the other one, but also always had close to stock engines.

And your kickdowm cable looks way different than mine. I'm wondering if mine is the wrong one maybe?

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It could be a 700r4 cable, anyone know if they are interchangeable?
1980 4-door Malibu Classic
-355 10.5:1, worked over L82 Corvette 202 heads, 274 Energizer hydraulic cam, MSD Streetfire distributor and wires, Edelbrock 625?cfm carb (temporary), shorty headers, 2 1/2" (or maybe even 2") full duels (2 1/2" to come this summer)
-B&M TH350 with 2400 stall
-7.5 with 4.11 limited slip, rebuild drum to drum with support cover
-15" steelies with 24 1/5" tires
-Edelbrock boxed lowers, double adjustable uppers, anti-hop bars, and tubular braces
-jounce bars, GP bar (not installed yet), rad support braces, fender to support braces

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Re: Getting close, time for the dumb questions lol.

Postby Phoenyx on Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:54 pm

Just like to add, in that pic of my kickdown, the cable is pushed in as far as it goes.
1980 4-door Malibu Classic
-355 10.5:1, worked over L82 Corvette 202 heads, 274 Energizer hydraulic cam, MSD Streetfire distributor and wires, Edelbrock 625?cfm carb (temporary), shorty headers, 2 1/2" (or maybe even 2") full duels (2 1/2" to come this summer)
-B&M TH350 with 2400 stall
-7.5 with 4.11 limited slip, rebuild drum to drum with support cover
-15" steelies with 24 1/5" tires
-Edelbrock boxed lowers, double adjustable uppers, anti-hop bars, and tubular braces
-jounce bars, GP bar (not installed yet), rad support braces, fender to support braces

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Re: Getting close, time for the dumb questions lol.

Postby cutlass79 on Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:17 pm

does it matter what vac port u ues i have the same eb carb and im running it off the pass side port there on the fornt of the carb does it really make any dif on witch one u ues?

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Re: Getting close, time for the dumb questions lol.

Postby Phoenyx on Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:33 pm

OK so I just went out and checked some things out, and took some pics. I'll just go in the same order as the pics:

So I think I found something wrong here, can you spot it?
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Here's a better shot:
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I don't think that big hose coming out of the intake (behind carb) should be open like that?

Anyone know what this vacuum switch thingy is for? the thing mounted right below where the fender to core brace bolts up.
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Here you can see it connects to the cluster of hose on the waterneck:
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Do I need this, what is it for?

Here is a broken line coming off the a/c crap (the a/c that was to be repaired, not ripped out):
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Where does this hook up to?:
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Here you can see the cluster of vacuum line goes into the left port, is this right? Also, the line that T's off is the one that connects to that thing on the fender:
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1406, so it's only a 600cfm carb :(
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Another shot of the un connected hose:
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Also not the steel line (to the right of the vacuum can on the distributor) that is not connected to anything. I think that's the line from the tranny?

Here's another shot of the kickdown. In this pic WOT and the cable pushed all the way in:
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And this one throttle closed and cable still pushed all the way in:
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I'm wondering if I could just break that plastic sleeve off to let the cable go back all the way?

Also noticed the distributor is so loose that you can adjust the timing by breathing on it. And the guy claimed he gave it a total tune up before it left his shop lol.
1980 4-door Malibu Classic
-355 10.5:1, worked over L82 Corvette 202 heads, 274 Energizer hydraulic cam, MSD Streetfire distributor and wires, Edelbrock 625?cfm carb (temporary), shorty headers, 2 1/2" (or maybe even 2") full duels (2 1/2" to come this summer)
-B&M TH350 with 2400 stall
-7.5 with 4.11 limited slip, rebuild drum to drum with support cover
-15" steelies with 24 1/5" tires
-Edelbrock boxed lowers, double adjustable uppers, anti-hop bars, and tubular braces
-jounce bars, GP bar (not installed yet), rad support braces, fender to support braces

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Re: Getting close, time for the dumb questions lol.

Postby Phoenyx on Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:36 pm

cutlass79 wrote:does it matter what vac port u ues i have the same eb carb and im running it off the pass side port there on the fornt of the carb does it really make any dif on witch one u ues?


Yeah I guess it does. I'm new to these carbs so been reading up on them. One port is lower, that one has full time vacuum. The higher one has variable vacuum (I don't think I'm wording this right, but I hope you understand).
1980 4-door Malibu Classic
-355 10.5:1, worked over L82 Corvette 202 heads, 274 Energizer hydraulic cam, MSD Streetfire distributor and wires, Edelbrock 625?cfm carb (temporary), shorty headers, 2 1/2" (or maybe even 2") full duels (2 1/2" to come this summer)
-B&M TH350 with 2400 stall
-7.5 with 4.11 limited slip, rebuild drum to drum with support cover
-15" steelies with 24 1/5" tires
-Edelbrock boxed lowers, double adjustable uppers, anti-hop bars, and tubular braces
-jounce bars, GP bar (not installed yet), rad support braces, fender to support braces

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Re: Getting close, time for the dumb questions lol.

Postby Phoenyx on Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:42 pm

I wanna get a pic of my exhaust too. But not enough room under the car for a good shot. But I'll try to explain it.

First off, when this system was put on, it was the set up where both pipes run down the same side until after the tranny x member (still the factory single hump). The clown that put the engine in hacked that off around the tranny tailshaft area. When I took it in to get it patched up to the shorty headers he did it different. He ran the drivers side pipe way over under where the x member bolts up, that way it still has the clearance. I know this isn't gonna help it flow (with the extra bends) but for a temporary, or stock engine it would be fine. From the side you can't see any pipe hanging down.

When I get the car up on stands again I'll get some pics of that too.
1980 4-door Malibu Classic
-355 10.5:1, worked over L82 Corvette 202 heads, 274 Energizer hydraulic cam, MSD Streetfire distributor and wires, Edelbrock 625?cfm carb (temporary), shorty headers, 2 1/2" (or maybe even 2") full duels (2 1/2" to come this summer)
-B&M TH350 with 2400 stall
-7.5 with 4.11 limited slip, rebuild drum to drum with support cover
-15" steelies with 24 1/5" tires
-Edelbrock boxed lowers, double adjustable uppers, anti-hop bars, and tubular braces
-jounce bars, GP bar (not installed yet), rad support braces, fender to support braces

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Re: Getting close, time for the dumb questions lol.

Postby Phoenyx on Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:45 pm

And yes, I know the engine bay is dirty. But I haven't had a chance to clean it for over 2 years lol. It will get cleaned up soon. 8)
1980 4-door Malibu Classic
-355 10.5:1, worked over L82 Corvette 202 heads, 274 Energizer hydraulic cam, MSD Streetfire distributor and wires, Edelbrock 625?cfm carb (temporary), shorty headers, 2 1/2" (or maybe even 2") full duels (2 1/2" to come this summer)
-B&M TH350 with 2400 stall
-7.5 with 4.11 limited slip, rebuild drum to drum with support cover
-15" steelies with 24 1/5" tires
-Edelbrock boxed lowers, double adjustable uppers, anti-hop bars, and tubular braces
-jounce bars, GP bar (not installed yet), rad support braces, fender to support braces

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Re: Getting close, time for the dumb questions lol.

Postby 307 Regal on Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:20 pm

I might have an idea where those lines are supposed to be hooked up. Luckily I'm already out in the garage documenting my sway bar install. lol. Gimme a sec to get the pics up on photobucket.

Also, about the trans, that engine we have in there came with a 700R4. We put the TH350 in after the 700 failed. I'm not sure where exactly that kick-down is from so once again I'd have to ask my dad.
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Re: Getting close, time for the dumb questions lol.

Postby cutlass79 on Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:30 pm

for the vac lines give this link a look

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new ... 0/1402.pdf

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Postby 307 Regal on Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:36 pm

If that engine is anything like my Olds, then there should be a line hooked into that big hose behind your carb:
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That hose runs to the passenger side and hooks into a pink line:
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There's another similar colored line running into some sort of diaphragm on one of the heater hoses:
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Better reference pic:
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