To sloppy or not to sloppy?

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motorheadmike

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He is not entirely wrong, but - again he is speaking to facebook's day-dreaming skill-less Joe-6-pack, and he is in the business of making money.

Sloppy works... if done right-ish.
 
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But are those the same people who will sell the finish "underestimated" project at a higher price than they spent to put in the $XXXX blower/turbo/etc? I learned early everything is going to cost more than you would think. Smalls kills the cost more than the big parts because you don't get the smalls with the big.
 
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He is not entirely wrong, but - again he is speaking to facebook's day-dreaming skill-less Joe-6-pack, and he is in the business of making money.

Sloppy works... if done right-ish.

That was painful to watch.....I don't know anything about this guy, but just listening to him..... I would bet his shop tunes 13 second Hondas.

I disagree with his message.....if you are resourceful, and stick with proven methods.....a low budget/junkyard build can be every bit as reliable as a high $ build.....sloppy mechanics is living proof of that......salvage yard ls truck motors and 4l80e's, decapped injectors, Chinese turbos and waste gates....etc. are holding up just fine to big power.
 
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motorheadmike

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That was painful to watch.....I don't know anything about this guy, but just listening to him..... I would bet his shop tunes 13 second Hondas.

I disagree with his message.....if you are resourceful, and stick with proven methods.....a low budget/junkyard build can be every bit as reliable as a high $ build.....sloppy mechanics is living proof of that......salvage yard ls truck motors and 4l80e's, decapped injectors, Chinese turbos and waste gates....etc. are holding up just fine to big power.

Agreed. But, he isn't directing it at resourceful people who approach things with an objective eye; rather he is directing his message at folks who just subjectively want and don't have any appreciation for what it takes to accomplish those desires.

I have a whole build dedicated (more or less) to budget engineering a turbo LS swap.
 
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Texas82GP

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I don't like sloppy. I strongly prefer well thought out/disciplined. Then again, I'm known locally as a "hard *ss". At least "*ss" is right.
 
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I don't like sloppy. I strongly prefer well thought out/disciplined. Then again, I'm known locally as a "hard *ss". At least "*ss" is right.

 

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He is not entirely wrong, but - again he is speaking to facebook's day-dreaming skill-less Joe-6-pack, and he is in the business of making money.

Sloppy works... if done right-ish.
He is right about the 'hidden cost' of hot rodding. I don't have a lot of patience for those you have to explain that to.

"We're not making sh*t"
Ok.
 
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87National

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Agreed. But, he isn't directing it at resourceful people who approach things with an objective eye; rather he is directing his message at folks who just subjectively want and don't have any appreciation for what it takes to accomplish those desires.

I have a whole build dedicated (more or less) to budget engineering a turbo LS swap.
Yeah....kind of a no brainer......if your idea of a build is writing out a check to a shop.....then $10k gets you more reliability than $5k.
 

motorheadmike

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Yeah....kind of a no brainer......

The sad thing is that it isn't a no-brainer. In fact, it takes a whole lot of sense and judgement to come to the conclusion that you are either going to:

1. Effectively plan it all out and execute it yourself, and have a real appreciation for what just happened; or
2. Pay someone 4 times as much to do it on your behalf; and part of that cost is to cover the nonsense after the build when sh*t goes wrong (and it will) and the builder has a dude standing in front them tapping their cheque book in disappointment.
 
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