Electric "Muscle" Cars

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64nailhead

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I'll be the first one to concede that it makes sense for city use. However, once EVs take hold and quiet down cities, how long before they discriminate against ICE owners coming in from the rural areas and ban them? That's BS.

I agree with the the 1st sentence vehemently. But it needs to be along the line of Darwinism (natural selection). When they are economically beneficial to both the individual, community and environment, then an EV makes perfect sense.

And I agree also that some dips_hit in our governments will be dictating what is best because we are aren’t smart enough to decide for ourselves. And they’ll have us paying for their self claimed intellectual superiority.
 
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Stealing money from people will do nothing to stop earth from warming up 1*.
 
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I've been thinking, perhaps DODGE/CHRYSLER/etc should have taken a cue from traxxas when designing the "muscle car" sound for their EV charger... sound taken from a real live hi performance engine. :D

 

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I'm not completely against EV's, just against having them forced on us.... If they ever get cost effective enough (as far as miles per charge/infrastructure/battery life/quickcharge @home that doesn't cost $5k) I might look into one... I currently drive approx 60 miles a day, and after a few days of driving, would need a full charge (average affordable charger) that could take most of the day... figure that in with a power grid that isn't all that reliable in my area, and it could leave me high and dry....

That's largely my sentiment as well. I don't think there's any question that EVs have a lower day to day operating cost. Although that is changing in some jurisdiction where they are significantly increasing the price of electricity. The challenge for most is the high upfront cost - but there are tax credits that can help with that. But lacking those - and there's not too many EV tax credits here in Canada, you can buy a bas Bolt for $39k CAD or you could get a fairly well optioned Camaro for the same price. Yes, there are reports of tires being ridiculously expensive on some EV models (due to require load rating I assume). And If you need your batteries replaced, that's a ridiculous cost. That same Bolt comes with a 8 year/100,000 mile battery warranty. You can't tell me though that EV manufacturers aren't excited about the idea of basically killing the market for anything out of warranty. Instead of a car lasting 15+ years, it'll only last 8 or so. that should increase the demand for new vehicles.

A home based level 2 charger isn't that expensive. Maybe if you buy it from the dealer, but there are a lot of cheaper ones out there. Like $2500-$3000 CAD..

I don't think there's anything wrong with green energy and wanting to reduce carbon output etc. But we keep being told how dire the situation is. If it is really so bad, we'd be outlawing any kind of superfluous activity that creates carbon emissions. All your recreational vehicles (RVs, pleasure boats, dirt bikes, quads, SxS, classic cars etc.) would all be banned. We'd be banning the use of private jets, heated swimming pools, ridiculous McMansions etc. We'd be shutting down factories that make all kinds of useless crap and trying to curb the consumerism and throw away society that we currently live in. Elon Musk launching 1000s of satellites into orbit would be shutdown as wasteful.

So we're either being lied to or collectively have our heads stuck in the sand. I kind of think both are equally likely. But if it's the latter, the solution isn't going to be switching over everyone to EVs. It's going to be some kind of carbon capture and sequestration tech.
 
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I'm not completely against EV's, just against having them forced on us....
JMO. While some will blather on about how the governments aren't actually forcing anything on us, yadda, yadda, yadda, in a certain vein, that is a true statement in the slimmest of meaning. But what is happening is the private companies that make the kinds of things we like are being strong-armed (by that government that isn't forcing anything on us) to take away the choices we used to have, or only have alternatives that certain someones deem acceptable. This is CDC-Covid19 stuff all over again. The science says whatever you want it to, depending on which scientists you ask. When the "global warming" think tanks actually admitted placing temperature monitors on the sunny side of buildings to skew the numbers to make it look worse than what it really was, they all lost me as far as credibility. So junk science is just that. I really don't know what to believe. But I do believe that even if things continue as they are with no more chaning anything, I will eventually die and things will virtually be the same when I do. Changing the name to "climate change" (a nebulous and utterly useless moniker) still doesn't sway me. You say Sierra, I say Silverado. Same thing, different name. I'll still bet dime to donuts that even though money is thrown down the climate change hole, it won't do anything to change stuff. Meanwhile, other countries are starting up their coal plants again. Derp. It's really not considered leading the way if you're the only one in the parade, Dumbazz.

If Pizza Hut has their Pizza lunch bar suddenly serve sushi and takes away the pepperoni and cheese selections and then raises their lunch price by 35%, it's de facto forcing sushi on customers that didn't ask for it, didn't really want it, and won't be too happy about a sudden change and having to pay more for something they didn't know was coming. Same thing here. All these
companies cave under pressure and effectively limit your choice to EV A or EV B. What, no ICE? Nope. Or they will be severely limited. Sure, a few people might like it, but far more won't. Simple math.

Most new-age folks probably wouldn't know a 14mm wrench from a hammer anyway, so maybe it's good for them to have cars that have to have "sounds" programmed into them to pretend they're something they can never be. Who run the world? Idiots.
 
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The ethics of them are highly suspect.

 

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JMO. While some will blather on about how the governments aren't actually forcing anything on us, yadda, yadda, yadda, in a certain vein, that is a true statement in the slimmest of meaning. But what is happening is the private companies that make the kinds of things we like are being strong-armed (by that government that isn't forcing anything on us) to take away the choices we used to have, or only have alternatives that certain someones deem acceptable. This is CDC-Covid19 stuff all over again. The science says whatever you want it to, depending on which scientists you ask. When the "global warming" think tanks actually admitted placing temperature monitors on the sunny side of buildings to skew the numbers to make it look worse than what it really was, they all lost me as far as credibility. So junk science is just that. I really don't know what to believe. But I do believe that even if things continue as they are with no more chaning anything, I will eventually die and things will virtually be the same when I do. Changing the name to "climate change" (a nebulous and utterly useless moniker) still doesn't sway me. You say Sierra, I say Silverado. Same thing, different name. I'll still bet dime to donuts that even though money is thrown down the climate change hole, it won't do anything to change stuff. Meanwhile, other countries are starting up their coal plants again. Derp. It's really not considered leading the way if you're the only one in the parade, Dumbazz.

If Pizza Hut has their Pizza lunch bar suddenly serve sushi and takes away the pepperoni and cheese selections and then raises their lunch price by 35%, it's de facto forcing sushi on customers that didn't ask for it, didn't really want it, and won't be too happy about a sudden change and having to pay more for something they didn't know was coming. Same thing here. All these
companies cave under pressure and effectively limit your choice to EV A or EV B. What, no ICE? Nope. Or they will be severely limited. Sure, a few people might like it, but far more won't. Simple math.

Most new-age folks probably wouldn't know a 14mm wrench from a hammer anyway, so maybe it's good for them to have cars that have to have "sounds" programmed into them to pretend they're something they can never be. Who run the world? Idiots.

1) Are we still debating whether or not greenhouse gas induced climate change is real? Come on. Pull head from sand. Meanwhile you've got senator snowball from my corner of 1959 and his army of alt-right media stars trying to tell us that bc snow exists this is all garbage. Who are you going to listen to. Pro tip: Professional pundits with talk shows and most politicians don't know jack about science. If the last 2 years haven't proved that then you're on your own.

2) If Pizza Hut did that, people who wanted a pizza will go down the street to Papa Johns, Dominos, Mazzios, etc ad infinitum to get one. I thought this was America, and all that free market hoo ha. People want pizza, go start a pizza chain, people would buy it if that's the only option. I see what you're getting at, but again, if this free-market hoo ha is real and the "right way" then it will fix itself, no? Or is the whole ideal a bunch of junk? See horse whip mftrs, buggy mfrs, VHS machines, typewriters, the list is endless. Can you still buy that stuff? Yeah, but the most basic laws of supply and demand apply. Its gonna be more expensive. I took Econ 101 I are smart.

2a) Unless you're suggesting that our wasteful top-down consumer-corporatist system is irretrievably broken and bad for consumers, workers, and our planet, then I'm with you.

3) Yeah the vroom sound thing was dumb and hopefully whoever thought it was a good idea should be fired for being a moron. This whole "new age folks" thing is nothing but certain media trying to sow "us vs them" division and its working, isn't it? FFS we used to have radio repairman who would change out a tube or capacitor when they went... why? bc your average joe doesn't care about that, what a capacitor is, or a soldering iron, or what a 14mm socket looks like for that matter. We are a different breed, see #2. Our "hobby" is gonna get more expensive, its inevitable no matter what happens. The average consumer doesn't care, they just want to listen to the radio, and they just need to get from A to B cheaply, and/or in style. Does that make them "stupid?" I don't think so.

4) ICE's and parts will be around for a while. Why you all think that's not true is strange. I can still buy buggy whips, horseshoes, fax machines, dot matrix printers, ignition points, etc. if I so choose. Free market system and all that.


TL;DR

Climate change is not a hoax
Econ 101, supply demand etc.
Consumers mostly dont care
The sky is not falling.
 
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Solar, wind, geothermal, etc. There are LOTS of ideas out there, some even operational, that look promising to produce energy in the future. Scaling them up will likely see some growing pains, and winners and losers. The next 10-20 years should be interesting, there are numerous battery "breakthroughs" as well, mostly in a lab environment so miles from mass production. All this to hopefully prolong our fossil fuels to the point they're not needed, but we have a ways to go. If gasoline becomes that scarce due to regulation, I'm hoping to have enough of my own electricity on tap to examine the feasibility of compressing hydrogen after splitting it off of water with the old HHO process. All you need to do is pull the timing back a bit. In the meantime I'll just keep filling the tank.
Solar, wind, geothermal - LOL. Solar is worthless above a certain parallel and works well for about 8 hours a day in the summer elsewhere. California has 1GWh of battery storage, which is equivalent to 50 minutes of a typical nuclear reactor - the batteries would be better utilized for urban vehicles. Wind only gets to 40% of nameplate capacity in some offshore locations and that'll be a maintenance nightmare. Geothermal is interesting with respect to corrosion and siting constraints - practical challenges there...

The only power supply that could feasibly replace fossil for heating and infrastructure is nuclear-electric power, and this concept is only supported by a minority.

A decrease in the standard of living in the first world is the objective of the moment.

There is ONLY nuclear power for significant reduction of SOME fossil generation. Anybody who tells you otherwise is misinformed or insincere.
 
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Solar, wind, geothermal - LOL. Solar is worthless above a certain parallel and works well for about 8 hours a day in the summer elsewhere. California has 1GWh of battery storage, which is equivalent to 30 minutes of a typical nuclear reactor - would be better utilized for urban vehicles. Wind only gets to 40% of nameplate capacity in some offshore locations and that'll be a maintenance nightmare. Geothermal is interesting with respect to corrosion and siting constraints - practical challenges there...

The only power supply that could feasibly replace fossil for heating and infrastructure is nuclear-electric power, and this concept is only supported by a minority.

A decrease in the standard of living in the first world is the objective of the moment.

There is ONLY nuclear power for significant reduction of SOME fossil generation. Anybody who tells you otherwise is misinformed or insincere.

On a large scale, the current renewables generate a pitiful amount. As a homeowner I want to toy with it more, but I think geothermal is a bit out of reach. Not to save the planet or any of that hype, rather to reduce my dependence to the greatest extent possible. Of course there'll be a propane generator waiting in the wings if none of that pans out and the grid goes down.
 
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