holley vs q-jet
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DanglingFury
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My main reason for making that post was to gauge people's reactions. I'm certainly not trying to get in a knockdown drag out internet war with anyone. The main thing that bothers me about the whole world of carburetors is the "slap it on and go" mentality. If you know anything about a carburetor, no matter what kind it is.. You would be a fool to expect to bolt any carburetor on an engine and have it work flawlessly without some kind of adjustment.
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You're missing the point, here. Quick fuel carburetors are essentially a Holley Carburetor. Basic form and function are exactly the same. They use power valves and metering blocks, like any Holley. Quickfuel simply offers more "bells and whistles" for more specific applications. Which features are you referring to that quickfuel offers and holley doesn't?
I, as well as others got your point. You were fishing, I really don't care what you were fishing for...
You asked if anyone thought there was something better than Holley and I just pointed out that YES there is and it happens to be a near identical design. How can Holley be the best hands down if they are inferior to other companies that are using their design? And we haven't even gotten to Barry Grant...
Never said offer... I said include, more specifically "they could but don't". But I'll be your huckleberry. Secondary metering plates with replaceable jets for single feed carbs, to my knowledge Holley does not offer one. Quick Fuel not only offers one they include it in their 4160 style carbs. While the Holley and Quick fuel are of the same pattern they are miles apart in design features and adjustability. And when I say adjustability I'm not talking about the Holley method of drilling either. Holley it seems wants to either nickle and dime you to death with additional parts or up sell you to a much more expensive carb with more features than you want. Common business practice, but that leaves the door open for others to fill the large gaps with similar products. And I really don't count an adjustable secondary metering plate as "bells and whistles". But I do count a plate that has to be drilled as primitive.
Features you see, make or break a carbs usefulness as well as potential. If the carb doesn't come with the necessary features to adjust it to thew users engine then it's really not a great carb.
And just an FYI if you buy a polished item from Holley, it's only half *ss polished.
You asked if anyone thought there was something better than Holley and I just pointed out that YES there is and it happens to be a near identical design. How can Holley be the best hands down if they are inferior to other companies that are using their design? And we haven't even gotten to Barry Grant...
Never said offer... I said include, more specifically "they could but don't". But I'll be your huckleberry. Secondary metering plates with replaceable jets for single feed carbs, to my knowledge Holley does not offer one. Quick Fuel not only offers one they include it in their 4160 style carbs. While the Holley and Quick fuel are of the same pattern they are miles apart in design features and adjustability. And when I say adjustability I'm not talking about the Holley method of drilling either. Holley it seems wants to either nickle and dime you to death with additional parts or up sell you to a much more expensive carb with more features than you want. Common business practice, but that leaves the door open for others to fill the large gaps with similar products. And I really don't count an adjustable secondary metering plate as "bells and whistles". But I do count a plate that has to be drilled as primitive.
Features you see, make or break a carbs usefulness as well as potential. If the carb doesn't come with the necessary features to adjust it to thew users engine then it's really not a great carb.
And just an FYI if you buy a polished item from Holley, it's only half *ss polished.
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DanglingFury
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You're certainly correct about Quickfuel 4160 carbs having adjustable metering plates. Personally, I don't really see a whole lot of use in that. The 4160's that Holley makes aren't meant for someone that wants to tune. They use fixed metering plates to keep costs down. I'm not about to argue that Quickfuel doesn't make a good product. They make excellent carburetors. As far as Barry Grant goes.. well, Holley owns Demon and manufacturers them in the same facility. I really don't see any advantage of a Demon carburetor over a Holley. (Did I mention Holley owns Quickfuel now, too?). I consider Quickfuel and Barry Grant carburetors to be Holleys. I'm fishing for Carter/AFB/Edelbrock/Q-jet VS. Holley 4150/4160.
You as a Holley tech rep are saying the 4160's secondary fuel metering needs no adjustment? From a V6 through a 350 they all require the same setup? Then in that case my 4160 was junk. To keep costs down? Give us specs, features and pricing for a 4160 carb 0-80457S and a Slayer carb SL-600-VS .Difference in price is much much less than the cost of the QF plate.
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DanglingFury
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If you're running a 4160 on a V6 you're probably better off to go with a 390 CFM 0-8007 carb rather than a 600 CFM 0-80457S. I'm not saying secondary fuel metering needs no adjustment. It is unlikely that most people with that kind of setup are going to want or need to adjust fuel metering in the secondaries. For those very few who wish to adjust that, we offer different metering plates.
I'm not arguing that Holley is better than Quickfuel or even the other way around. A Quickfuel IS a Holley. What I am interested in is metering BLOCK carburetors VS metering ROD carburetors.
You dig up somebodys poll thread that has seen no action in 7 months with a "bring it on" statement instead of just starting a thread.
Then you say your reason was to "gauge peoples reaction" on somebody elses thread. Reaction to what?
Then, when people respond you say "your missing the point." What is your point?
Then you say "what I am interested in is metering BLOCK carburetors VS metering ROD carburetors." What does this mean exactly?
Do you need help starting a thread with a poll in it or something? Are you trying to promote something specific?
Or are you just bursting at the seams to tell us how great Holley carbs are?
Because at this point, you like nothing more than a Holley Performance Products Cheerleader.
IMHO
Then you say your reason was to "gauge peoples reaction" on somebody elses thread. Reaction to what?
Then, when people respond you say "your missing the point." What is your point?
Then you say "what I am interested in is metering BLOCK carburetors VS metering ROD carburetors." What does this mean exactly?
Do you need help starting a thread with a poll in it or something? Are you trying to promote something specific?
Or are you just bursting at the seams to tell us how great Holley carbs are?
Because at this point, you like nothing more than a Holley Performance Products Cheerleader.
IMHO
I had my say. But from here out you won't be talking to me. After experiencing your attitude and then to see you are supposed to be a Holley Tech Rep, I put you on the ignore list. I really don't feel like debating with a salesman.
I agree. Although I like Holley products, that wasn't a real smart move on your part as a representative of the company. Instead of gaining future Holley customers, you've succeeded in pissing off potential consumers and actually did the company a disservice in the process. It's not what you said, but how you went about it.
Hopefully you're man enough to admit you made a mistake and will learn from it. An apology to the members you offended wouldn't hurt either.
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