I am baffled of why it won't start!

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Ezlikesundaymorn

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get a gauge on it to see if you are building and holding fuel pressure and take from there. You may or may not have a pinhole sucking air into the line, or a weak fuel pump, or plugged sock, bad fuel filter. Pressure guage will tell much of the story. The other post was just my rant about patching something to keep it rolling against fixing it for good. If the original line lasted for 30 years, why not replace the whole line for another 30 years of protection ? Most will just patch the offending part and carry on.

I'm going to replace it the correct way, just as soon as I get a little extra cash. Moving to Kansas has taken everything I had because moved my 6yr old son here with me & doing the single dad thing (mom split 4yrs ago).
Anyhoo, I hate the half *ss repairs as well, especially to a car as great as this one...this is a temporary fix-
 
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Ezlikesundaymorn

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get a gauge on it to see if you are building and holding fuel pressure and take from there. You may or may not have a pinhole sucking air into the line, or a weak fuel pump, or plugged sock, bad fuel filter. Pressure guage will tell much of the story. The other post was just my rant about patching something to keep it rolling against fixing it for good. If the original line lasted for 30 years, why not replace the whole line for another 30 years of protection ? Most will just patch the offending part and carry on.

Oh yea, where you thinking I get a pressure gauge from? It'll have to be pretty basic-
 

TURNA

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Take the fuel line off before the filter see if there is a stronger fuel flow.

If there is. your filter may be the cause of the problem.

Just because it is new doesn't mean it is good.


If it is the same may be the pump.

Since the car was sitting for so long the sudden use may have bunt out or seized up the pump.
 
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Jeff L

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Take the fuel line off before the filter see if there is a stronger fuel flow.

If there is. your filter may be the cause of the problem.

Just because it is new doesn't mean it is good.


If it is the same may be the pump.

Since the car was sitting for so long the sudden use may have bunt out or seized up the pump.

I was also wondering if the gas tank has a bunch of gunk floating around in it causing problems like burning out the pump as you mentioned and plugging up the system at certain times. Might be worth dropping the tank and looking inside to see the condition.
 
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Opie Knievel

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$350 is the deal of a lifetime for that car. G Body prices are getting higher every year. I only gave $500 for my '86 TBI Monte a couple of years ago and I don't think I've seen another running, driving Monte Carlo for under $1500 since. Mine is kinda rough but from your description it sounds like yours is in excellent condition. I don't blame you one bit for wanting to fix the car and keep driving it. Don't let your brother, dad or anyone else talk you into selling it if you don't want to. I'd love to see some pics of the car.

Now, to address the fuel delivery problem, my Monte Carlo just quit running one day as well. No warnings, it had been running fine and then it just sputtered and died. Luckily I was in my parents driveway at the time so I didn't have to have it towed anywhere. My problem was a dead fuel pump. I replaced it and haven't had any problems with it since. Your situation sounds similar to mine except that you said you can hear your pump running. I couldn't hear mine and the car would start if I poured gas into the throttle body so I dropped the tank and replaced the pump. I didn't really do a thorough diagnostic on it. In my case the replacement pump was free and the tank is pretty easy to drop so I took a chance on it. I'm assuming you'll have to buy any replacement parts you'll need so in your case you'll want to make sure to diagnose the problem correctly to keep from wasting money on parts you don't need.

I agree with some of the other guys that putting a fuel pressure gauge on the car would be a good place to start. You'll have to put a Schrader valve in your fuel line to have a place to test the pressure. Some guys go to the junk yard and get a piece of fuel line with the Schrader valve on it from another car and graft it into the line. I think there is a "kit" you can buy that is basically the same thing but I don't know exactly how much they cost.

The suggestions from the other guys are all possible culprits. Clogged sock in the tank, clogged/defective fuel filter, hole in fuel line, weak pump, restriction in the fuel line. All of those are possible reasons for the problem you described. I think that it's probably the pump going bad. It's getting weaker and not pumping enough fuel. Or, maybe for whatever reason you're not getting a full 12 volts to the pump. I've heard a lot of guys on here talking about finding rust and junk in the tanks after sitting for a long time and that clogging things up. While that's possible, I wouldn't think of that at first because you've driven so many miles recently. 1500 miles is several tanks of gas and it seems to me like if rust in the tank was the problem it would have quit on you a lot sooner. That's just my thoughts on it though. If you want to check for rust, dropping the tank is easy and free. It couldn't hurt.

Let us know how things are going. You've found the best forum on the internet and there are a lot of people on here who will help you out. If you lived closer I'd come over and help you check it out. There are several guys like that on here. Good luck and keep us posted.
 
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Ezlikesundaymorn

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Man, you're not kidding about this being the best forum on the enterweb when it comes to G-Bodies, thank all you guys for sure.
Turns out at pops place, he has a '87 Monte Carlo (that has been here for awhile) sitting on his property...along with 21 other cars, mostly older cars.
Impala's mostly.
Anyway, I'm gonna drop the tank & take the pump from it to see if it works.

However before doing that, I'm going to take the fuel line loose at the filter & check the flow...I never thought of that, only felt "ah, the filter is new, so it's good..."
Won't take but a few minutes & can rule it out if the flow is the same as at the TB.

I'll post some pics of my $350 cream puff...
 
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tkruger

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I have an 87 LS with the 4.3. Unless I read it wrong you said you had a fuel filter in the front? Mine is on the rear passenger side frame rail.
 
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Ezlikesundaymorn

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I have an 87 LS with the 4.3. Unless I read it wrong you said you had a fuel filter in the front? Mine is on the rear passenger side frame rail.
That's where mine is as well, I meant in front of the passenger rear wheel, sorry I wasn't clear.
 

Ezlikesundaymorn

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This it.
51,138 original miles.
It sat right there in the grass next to his driveway for 3 years (his wife got too old to drive & it was her car).
Besides the condition & price, the thing that also amazed me was, I you look I the background..that's a high school there. He lived 2 houses off the corner & this car was in full view, plus hundreds of kids walk past it on the way to another parking lot literally across from the guys house!! I pale to think no one o our future generation didn't dig this car & want to buy! Heck, this is at the beach like I said, there's money all at the beach...those kids pay twice what I paid for the car on a surfboard-
 
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Ezlikesundaymorn

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View attachment 70256 This it.
51,138 original miles.
It sat right there in the grass next to his driveway for 3 years (his wife got too old to drive & it was her car).
Besides the condition & price, the thing that also amazed me was, I you look I the background..that's a high school there. He lived 2 houses off the corner & this car was in full view, plus hundreds of kids walk past it on the way to another parking lot literally across from the guys house!! I pale to think no one o our future generation didn't dig this car & want to buy! Heck, this is at the beach like I said, there's money all at the beach...those kids pay twice what I paid for the car on a surfboard-
 
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