Performance 307 build!!
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ponchoman49 said:
LOL... Thats on a engine dyno too. Put a transmission behind that and a rear-end. They said you lose about 30% hp behind a transmission alone. So dont think 180hp on a vin9 is what is at the wheel. I got 166hp at the wheels. And alot more upgrades. Dyno sheets to prove it.
Good luck!!!
80Maliboo said:
Sorry, but that's complete BS. Maybe from the mid-70's to late 80's when GM finally stopped producing Olds engines but it was the same lack luster power from all other GM makes as well during the smog era.
Again, not true. Can you open up a Jegs or Summit catalog, throw a dart at a page and hit an Oldsmobile part like you can a Chevy? No, but just because it's not listed doesn't mean they don't carry it. There's a huge amount of aftermarket parts for an Olds now than there has every been.
Is it anything near what a Chevy has for availabilty? No but that's whats nice. You don't see everyone and their brother with the same combination out there on the street.
Parts aren't overpriced by a lot. Yeah, an Edelbrock Performer RPM intake is around $100 more than an equivelant Chevy intake but like everything else, its just supply and demand. The key with building an Olds engine is realizing you don't need a brand new intake. A used Edelbrock RPM in good condition will go for $100. Bead blast it and its brand new. It's all about shopping around.
Wow you must live under a rock! Your the guy that us Olds guys love pulling up next to on the street. Seriously, your correct on a few of your points but your view of Olds performance and Olds engines in general is very misguided.
[quote="smallblockFTWim not shooting for 435, im saying it can be done. im gonna try all the tricks i can, (milled heads, 2.02 1.60 valves with the exhaust turned down to 1.50, deck the block, thin gaskets.) just cheap tricks to see what i can do.[/quote]
You better know what your doing. Your following a build from Dale on ROP who built that 307 for the engine masters challenge. A lot of the stuff he's done is some pretty tricky machining, etc. Just reciting what you read in a magazine will not make an engine run. Dale has a TON of hours just in the heads alone on that engine.
I would not consider that 435HP 307 to be one a young guy should start out trying to duplicate. Maybe someday but you need to stick with something a bit more realistic to get your feet wet.
Also keep in mind, your not breaking any new ground here. Guys have run 307's in the 11's for years so we know they can perform. However, these cars have a LOT of gear and the spin the crap out of them. Their rear gears typically are in the 6.xx range.
The issue here is that all of what your planning to do to get your 307 into the 14's could also be done to a 350 Olds and you'd be well in the 12's AND be much more driveable.
You better know what your doing. Your following a build from Dale on ROP who built that 307 for the engine masters challenge. A lot of the stuff he's done is some pretty tricky machining, etc. Just reciting what you read in a magazine will not make an engine run. Dale has a TON of hours just in the heads alone on that engine.
I would not consider that 435HP 307 to be one a young guy should start out trying to duplicate. Maybe someday but you need to stick with something a bit more realistic to get your feet wet.
Also keep in mind, your not breaking any new ground here. Guys have run 307's in the 11's for years so we know they can perform. However, these cars have a LOT of gear and the spin the crap out of them. Their rear gears typically are in the 6.xx range.
The issue here is that all of what your planning to do to get your 307 into the 14's could also be done to a 350 Olds and you'd be well in the 12's AND be much more driveable.
"The issue here is that all of what your planning to do to get your 307 into the 14's could also be done to a 350 Olds and you'd be well in the 12's AND be much more driveable." He is right and it bears repeating. For the same money and the same work you would have an engine / car that is faster more reliable & much easier to actually drive. To prove what is already long been proven makes no sense.
Maliboo, Lots of people out there that think like you do until somebody else gets the opportunity & takes their money then they just shut up & disappear. Ask me how I know
The truth is or the facts are that all engines have their pros & cons some of which make certain engines better for certain tasks. The SBC 1 was not superior to the other three 350s of their time just the most common. The single biggest thing it had on its side was economies of scale.
Maliboo, Lots of people out there that think like you do until somebody else gets the opportunity & takes their money then they just shut up & disappear. Ask me how I know
The truth is or the facts are that all engines have their pros & cons some of which make certain engines better for certain tasks. The SBC 1 was not superior to the other three 350s of their time just the most common. The single biggest thing it had on its side was economies of scale.
jrm81bu said:
600 horse 400 is on the high end of mild yes. 10 second cars arent slow no. I didnt make any reference to ET's being slow or fast.
For instance, when I get my 400 together Im looking at arround 500-510 horse. It will be a very mild 87 gas motor with 9.7:1 compression. You think that adding another 90 horse at that point will make it radical lol?
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