Engine Swap (Non LS) - 305 H.O. to ...?

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1984 Monte Carlo...

My 305 will need to be eventually swapped out, and if I'm going to swap it out then I want it to be worth it...

It'll be about 6 months to a year before I'll be ready to drop another motor in it, because I want to build my own from start to finish and to make it my own... it'll take me a few months to gather up everything, and some months to build, swap, and drop.

Not really into racing but I do want it to be muscle car worthy... relatively "fast" and responsive to the touch...somewhat lopey and I want to be able to do burnouts and doughnuts if I felt like it...but I also want it fuel efficient I guess...

What engine should I run with ? Everyone says 350, but there are many options to choose that are with better performance than 305...

Would like to keep it carburated and simole at the moment... LS swap is a bit expensive and I'm assuming requires modifications out of my experience, but would be good for fuel efficiency. TBI just isn't my interest of practice yet, and both I assume would call for engine wire rerouting and modifications.

What carburated SBC would you prefer and why ?

Considering on swapping out the transmission as well...which transmission and converter should I use to back up the engine you're referring ?

To get the results I want, should I consider swapping the rear end ? If so, which one should I swap the factory with ?
 
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A decent cam, headers, 059 305 vortec heads, and ZZ4 PROM will bump your 305 to 300 hp easy. Beyond 300 hp you will need a larger engine. I would go with L31 Vortec 350 and reuse the CCC system on it.

Keep in mind that power increases will require reinforcing the frame and body to handle it and any rust damage must be repaired. Also HP increases will also need brake upgrades. Probably best to start on body, suspension, and brake upgrades and repairs first.
 
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Is pulling an engine from the salvage yard worth it ?

Pull-A-Part salvage yard where I live, a carburated engine cost $145.99 +$75 (because I won't have a core because I'm keeping the old engine to also rebuild.), and $245.99 +$75 for an engine with accessories.

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A decent cam, headers, 059 305 vortec heads, and ZZ4 PROM will bump your 305 to 300 hp easy. Beyond 300 hp you will need a larger engine. I would go with L31 Vortec 350 and reuse the CCC system on it.
The 305 will be put on a stand and rebuilt for a future El Camino project I'll come across for a "work truck". Would like to keep it carburated and simole at the moment...


Keep in mind that power increases will require reinforcing the frame and body to handle it and any rust damage must be repaired. Also HP increases will also need brake upgrades. Probably best to start on body, suspension, and brake upgrades and repairs first.
I'll keep that in mind and also focus on those areas. Suspension and brakes were another thing on my "to do list"... But reinforcing the frame ? I'll have to research the process that...
 
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The 305 will be put on a stand and rebuilt for a future El Camino project I'll come across for a "work truck". Would like to keep it carburated and simole at the moment...



I'll keep that in mind and also focus on those areas. Suspension and brakes were another thing on my "to do list"... But reinforcing the frame ? I'll have to research the process that...

Here are a couple of helpful links.

First is a decent 305 build up recipe you can use for your future El Camino project. GM did make Vortec style heads for 305s (L30) and they are the second highest flow factory GM heads, only beat by 350 Vortec heads. Good thing about the HO 305s is that they have pretty good CR of 9.5 :1 so they respond better to mods than most 305s along with the high flow cat. The F body version of the HO305 got dual snorkel aircleaners which alone added 10 more HP. The CCC Qjet is an excellent carburetor and don't let others tell you otherwise and the HOs have better spec Qjets.
http://montecarloss.com/SSThunder/monte_ss.html

305s are no less reliable than any other SBC and they often last to 300K. Plus they are less detonation prone than 350s which is why they often have higher CR stock. In the 80's the only Caprices to get 350s were 9C1 police package ones and even those only had 155 HP. A MCSS would blow it away, especially if the 9C1 Caprice was weighted down by heavy police equipment.

There are a couple of issues with L31s. First they lack a provision for mechanical fuel pumps so you most likely will need to convert to an electric fuel pump with in tank pumps being the preferred type. Second issue is that Vortec heads require Vortec specific intake manifolds such as this one.
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/nal-12496820

Yes, G bodies are notorious for weak flimsy frames that are as rigid as a wet noodle. The bodies are not very strong either. In the 80's GM downsized and deleted a lot of bracing from G bodies which further weakened them. Plus other shenanigan's like missing body mounts for a more comfy ride. There is a sticky thread on this forum that covers the issues and the band aids to partly fix them. The only complete fix is a aftermarket frame which are quite pricey. Next best fix is a frame off to box the stock frame which is still pricey.
https://gbodyforum.com/threads/f41-and-aftermarket-bracing-diagrams-more-pics-added.8126/


You have to remember that even back when these cars were new they were already an outdated platform. They were designed to be Granny cars first and foremost, the performance sub models were an afterthought. Weak bodies and frames, horrible 1960's derived backwards suspension geometry, undersized brakes, weak light duty rear axles, poor weight distribution, poor aerodynamics, only 2WD, optimize for the old 55 MPH national limit, thin driveshafts, lack of modern safety features, skinny weak pillars, lackluster build quality, etc. Its a tall hill to climb for G bodies and performance wise you would be better off buying that modern Camry which Driven raves about all the time here. After all, they do have 33 years of progress, AWD, and 5 more gears on their side. Plus they have modern gas saving features like DBW and stop & start systems along with superior aerodynamics. Of course comparing new cars to antique cars is a faulty comparison like comparing apples to oranges.

Considering you are talking about an HO 305, I assume your 84 Monte Carlo is an SS? The trans and rear gearing in it are already decent, a 3 speed TH350 with SS spec shift pattern and 3.42 gears. Through a 3 speed is a handicap in an era where 6 and 8 speed transmissions are the norm such as the Drivin's favorite, the Camry 😉 . In 85 Monte Carlos were upgraded to the 4 speed overdrive 2004R transmission and 3.73 rear gears. 85 and up G body frames have an extension piece welded on to mount the 2004R, 84 and older frames lack this extension but it can be added to them. However, even a OD 4 speed is still outdated by modern standards. Hotrodding boils down to how big your wallet is, those with the deepest wallets will win.
 
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