My New Nutty Sleeper Idea...

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Well, here it is, and it is about as obtuse as they come from someone used to domestic V8's. It is a old Honda Insight with the complete stock drivetrain up front and a second drivetrain in back using a Miata rear suspension and diff with a 100hp electric motor driving the rear wheels. At a stock weight of 1800lbs, it would not need much power to make it fast, and with 70hp stock it makes almost a 10:1 power to weight ratio, or about the same as a G body with a mild 350. Now, the other oddity to my idea is to use a 4x4 2 speed transfer case with electric actuation to connect the axle and motor. This way, you don't need the electric motor all the time, and can de-couple it by putting the case into neutral. You also get AWD traction as a part of the equation, so traction would not be too much of an issue so long as you have an LSD. Alternately, you could eliminate the center section, and run the axles off the transfer case with a 1:1 ratio and take advantage of the electric motor's low rpm torque (multiple gears are not needed). This way, you could drive the car off either the stock hybrid drivetrain, or as an all electric car off just the rear powertrain. Since the rear is only needed part time ( like nitrous), it can run off the original battery pack ( or a double pack of 2g Prius batteries), and you could still use the TPS of the gas engine to run a speed controller signal to the back motor. Plus, since the original engine/motor still is connected to the batteries, you could charge the system as per stock, or even add a plug in or solar capability to allow you to minimize fuel costs. There is also a turbo kit on the market for the stock 3 cyl, so you could see a net improvement there as well. Yes, it would need A LOT more development to work, but that is all I could come up with in 2 days of delivering pizza. The whole premise is how to take advantage of parts that will become commonplace and inexpensive in the near future ( if not now) to still have a hot rod in a carburetor deprived world. You have to admit though, it would be the ultimate sleeper. Who would suspect a eco car that sounds stock and shuts off at idle to actually be fast?

Sadly, one of my other ideas for a series hybrid has already been done by Mitsubishi, and will be going in to production shortly as an option on the i.
 
you have so much time on your hands
 
You need to be thinkin about finishing that Cutlass!
But I'll sympathize...it's easy for the mind to wander in the midst of a large project. I've even done it myself...
Besides, an LS1 in a eco box would be a way better wolf in sheeps clothing... 😀
 
78mali350 said:
you have so much time on your hands

Actually I don't, I just think 24/7. If I ever had a girlfriend, that would probably change but after 34 years without one I find it unlikely.

BTW, this is why I chose my engineering major. I love to solve this sort of problem.
 
jonnyslick said:
Someone swapped a B or H series motor in to an insite a while back and that thing was supposed to be fast as hell. Like 200+ hp in a 1,800 lb car.

Yeah, I think a kit even exists from Hasport. However, it's really not pushing the envelope as you can do the same thing with a CRX and wind up with a similar power to weight ratio. The Insight would have a few advantages over a CRX though. It would be lighter than a CRX when you removed all of the hybrid drive components ( especially the battery pack) , and it has the lowest coefficient of drag of any car ever sold in the US market at a .24cd. I almost think the designers had a Citroen DS in the studio when they came up with it because of the design similarities. I think I will post a thread about that car for those curious about unique designs, because it broke so much new ground.
 
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