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Contray to popular belief, the CCC system is not the handicap many people make it out to be. However, it still can be improved on and here is a list of improvements. I will list them in two parts. First part will list mods that apply to all versions of the CCC system. Second part will be mods for the SBC version of CCC.

Fuel pressure regulator as most replacement mechanical fuel pumps put out too much pressure. The factory fuel pressure is 7 PSI.

Large float inlet valve seat, usually .135 size.

Use high grade accel pump seal to avoid swelling issues.

Use stock thickness airhorn gasket, the thicker gaskets throw off the M/C solenoid travel setting.

3 wire heated O2 sensor because they are faster, more accurate, longer lasting, and don't cool off at idle. You especially want this upgrade with headers.

PC stem seals on both the intake and exhaust valves. Umbrella seals on the exhaust valves allow too much oil into the exhaust stream and effects O2 sensor accuracy.

Dual snorkel aircleaner.

Advance ignition base timing a couple of degrees.

Adjust secondary air vane spring tension for optimum operation.

Chevy specific mods include:

Drill the idle tubes to .034.

Drill the accel pump discharge ports to .029.

Drill the choke pullout restrictor to .016.

Install a "N" secondary hanger. Hot 305s like CV secondary rods while 350s like AH secondary rods.

Use a 87 or 88 Chevy ECM and install ZZ4 PROM. The ZZ4 PROM is a GM engineered PROM chip with a hotter tune than the factory installed chip as it was offered with 350 swap kits for 305 powered 3rd generation F bodies. It can handle more cam duration than the stock chip.
 
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I don't have the CCC model but appreciate good tips when I see 'em, thanks!
 
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There are some upgrades for the CCC system on n/a Buick 3.8 V6s. Buick made 4.1 versions of their V6 with a 4bbl version of the CCC system as well as a rare CCC version of the early carb turbo intake. You can install a 4.1 4bbl CCC Qjet and intake manifold on a regular 3.8 to replace the 2bbl Dualjet for a small increase in HP. It will work fine with the stock 2bbl harness and PROM since the ECM only operates the primaries. However, I do not know if the 4.1's PROM is any hotter than a standard 3.8 PROM. It would be interesting to know. The 4bbl upgrade only adds 10 hp to a otherwise stock n/a V6.

Keep in mind that upgrades to the Buick V6 CCC system are not as effective as the ones available for the SBC versions. Years ago I knew one guy who converted his n/a V6 Regal to a carb turbo setup.

I don't know much about the Olds version of CCC systems and any specific mods for them. Hopefully an Olds expert can fill in.
 
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I don't know much about the Olds version of CCC systems and any specific mods for them. Hopefully an Olds expert can fill in.
I'm far from an expert, but the Olds' system is fairly locked in to the PROM. While it's tolerent to ultra-slight mods to a degree, such as running a stock 350 CID on a stock 307 VIN 9 CCC system and not throw a code, there's just not much you can do outside the PROM to gain much on performance and still run the computer without issue. Oldsmobile didn't have anything specific for any "hotter" PROM like the ZZ4 Chevy had since the 307 was all they had and the differences between how the VIN Y and VIN 9 accomplished things computer-wise, the juice wasn't worth the squeeze, I guess. For example, I don't think a VIN 9 PROM into a VIN Y box would work too well as it considered slightly different inputs and control outputs. Never knew of anyone even attempting it.

And although I've never tried it myself, the Hyperchip PROM thing was/is about the only thing you could do back in the day for an Olds. And the consensus was about all it did was just jack up timing a hair. Which is a good thing, but it's not a dragon-slayer. Attempts have been made to dig into the Olds PROMs to see what could be done about adjustments, but none have ever effectively succeeded to my knowledge. And now, OBD1 CCC systems are considered such a relic, they're considered the 8-tracks of the engine control units. It's a wonder you don't find tubes inside the ECM box. 🤪

Olds 307s with CCC were designed and built with MPG EFFICIENCY in mind. Read that again. Lean as lean could be. Olds V8 engines were known for their low-end torque, and the 307 was trying to squash that, even. Performance? Hardly.

Roller-cam 307s were worse as the heads and porting was abysmal for higher end power. But in either case, relieving the exhaust will help. Not a panacea, but restrictive exhaust was a mainstay of the Olds 307 cars. Remember too, that when you jack around with one thing, you'll need to account for it somewhere else. And down the rabbit hole you go.

I will add ONE thing about maintaining peak performance of your CCC system- Based on my own experience, use GM/ACDelco old-school sensors and parts wherever possible: TPS O2, EGR valves, etc., because I've experienced the least issues with them from a longevity service standpoint and setting-accuracy standpoint. The TPSs I took out of the carbs I recently rebuilt were tested and working just fine. I just figured if everything else was "new", then why not? I learned my lesson with using Bosch sensors many years ago. I developed a "new" problem after tuning up the old 87 Salon using a Bosch O2 sensor. Bad idea. It acted like as soon as you took your foot off the throttle, it would want to come out of closed loop instantly. Did I get a bad one? I dunno. Swapped it with an ACDelco sensor and problem went away. I also tried a Bosch rebuilt alternator before, and that was short-lived junk, too.

ACDelco parts were made for the application, and they often are the best choice for your car, if it's stock. I've got a fist full of ACDelco TPS, M/C solenoids, TVSs, temperature (both CCC and gages) and O2 sensors, distributor modules, spark plugs, coils, rotors and caps, wires, et al. Plus a few new VIN 9 PROMs and ECM boxes just in case I ever let the smoke out of one. I'm set for life for sure, in that department.
 
I'm far from an expert, but the Olds' system is fairly locked in to the PROM. While it's tolerent to ultra-slight mods to a degree, such as running a stock 350 CID on a stock 307 VIN 9 CCC system and not throw a code, there's just not much you can do outside the PROM to gain much on performance and still run the computer without issue. Oldsmobile didn't have anything specific for any "hotter" PROM like the ZZ4 Chevy had since the 307 was all they had and the differences between how the VIN Y and VIN 9 accomplished things computer-wise, the juice wasn't worth the squeeze, I guess. For example, I don't think a VIN 9 PROM into a VIN Y box would work too well as it considered slightly different inputs and control outputs. Never knew of anyone even attempting it.

And although I've never tried it myself, the Hyperchip PROM thing was/is about the only thing you could do back in the day for an Olds. And the consensus was about all it did was just jack up timing a hair. Which is a good thing, but it's not a dragon-slayer. Attempts have been made to dig into the Olds PROMs to see what could be done about adjustments, but none have ever effectively succeeded to my knowledge. And now, OBD1 CCC systems are considered such a relic, they're considered the 8-tracks of the engine control units. It's a wonder you don't find tubes inside the ECM box. 🤪

Olds 307s with CCC were designed and built with MPG EFFICIENCY in mind. Read that again. Lean as lean could be. Olds V8 engines were known for their low-end torque, and the 307 was trying to squash that, even. Performance? Hardly.

Roller-cam 307s were worse as the heads and porting was abysmal for higher end power. But in either case, relieving the exhaust will help. Not a panacea, but restrictive exhaust was a mainstay of the Olds 307 cars. Remember too, that when you jack around with one thing, you'll need to account for it somewhere else. And down the rabbit hole you go.

I will add ONE thing about maintaining peak performance of your CCC system- Based on my own experience, use GM/ACDelco old-school sensors and parts wherever possible: TPS O2, EGR valves, etc., because I've experienced the least issues with them from a longevity service standpoint and setting-accuracy standpoint. The TPSs I took out of the carbs I recently rebuilt were tested and working just fine. I just figured if everything else was "new", then why not? I learned my lesson with using Bosch sensors many years ago. I developed a "new" problem after tuning up the old 87 Salon using a Bosch O2 sensor. Bad idea. It acted like as soon as you took your foot off the throttle, it would want to come out of closed loop instantly. Did I get a bad one? I dunno. Swapped it with an ACDelco sensor and problem went away. I also tried a Bosch rebuilt alternator before, and that was short-lived junk, too.

ACDelco parts were made for the application, and they often are the best choice for your car, if it's stock. I've got a fist full of ACDelco TPS, M/C solenoids, TVSs, temperature (both CCC and gages) and O2 sensors, distributor modules, spark plugs, coils, rotors and caps, wires, et al. Plus a few new VIN 9 PROMs and ECM boxes just in case I ever let the smoke out of one. I'm set for life for sure, in that department.

That is unfortunate there isn't much that can be done with the Olds system. The ZZ4 PROM for Chevys is just a coincidence since it was developed for 350 swap kits for F bodies, its just happenstance that it fits G bodies too and works on 305s.
 
My '81 elke has a '85 IROC 305 tpi engine currently in it with the complete wiring harness and ECM. When I opened up the box there was a stage two hyperchip installed, I haven't seen one of them in 20 years. If anybody needs any of this stuff I'm getting ready to pull it all out and install my new skip white 383. Just thought I'd throw it out there.
 
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my car was a 6 cyl i wondered if the ccc system would work on a 350 i know i would have to get a ccc v8 dizzy and carb has anyone ever tried that
 
my car was a 6 cyl i wondered if the ccc system would work on a 350 i know i would have to get a ccc v8 dizzy and carb has anyone ever tried that

V6s and V8s use different CCC systems. To retain CCC with a 350 swap you would need to swap in the V8 version of the system. Swapping the computer harness isn't hard, its just hard finding a good one.
 
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V6s and V8s use different CCC systems. To retain CCC with a 350 swap you would need to swap in the V8 version of the system. Swapping the computer harness isn't hard, its just hard finding a good one.
also, the v6 on the El Caminos was Fuel Injected
 
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also, the v6 on the El Caminos was Fuel Injected

I think there are ways to convert V6 TBI to work on a V8 but its pretty involved. Probably easier to pull a V8 TBI out of a B body or even TPI out of an F body. I still see quite a few TPI F bodies in the yards.
 

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