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I'm thinking of fabricating a diffuser system under the car. I know with the underside of the these cars it won't be full system but I think I can get the air flow under the car to give the car less resistance which will increase fuel milage and improve handling. Anyone else pondering this idea?
 
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^Somebody was pondering that idea. I remember seeing a thread about it but I don't remember any keywords to find it.
Think you could get away with a rear diffuser too?
 
Ive thought about this many many times. However, my thoughts are to maximize the function, and so other things would need to be altered, which are currently in the way, like the engine and body. You could take some of the suggestions and maybe it would help in some way. I havent tried any of this though.

The rear diffuser basically is air flow management for air moving under the car. With the current shape of the car that isnt happening in any kind of laminar way what so ever, so a diffuser at the end of the run would be kind of pointless, as it wouldnt be managing much. The perfect shape of the body's underneath would be an "upside down airplane wing". So towards the back of the car, the floor would need to gently sweep UP. The high and low pressures will pull the air out from under the car, promoting "down-force".

Working from the front back;
1) I think you would need a splitter, and a redesigned grill opening to pull air in.
2) You either need an extractor hood, or reworked fenders to reduce the pressure in the engine bay. The Radiator(s) would be baffled off, and a clear path constructed through baffles/ductwork exiting the hood or fenders.
3) The splitter would pass the remaining air underneath the car, which would need to have basically a body pan promoting laminar flow.
4) Towards the back of the car, you want the floor to sweep upwards, to almost the height of the trunk lid if possible. Because this would totally destroy the body, maybe the license plate bracket is a better target. Fuel tank, and spare tire are would need to go.

A diffuser could then be attached at the back, likely where the bumper/license plate brackets are to manage the air being sucked out the back. Lowering the ride height would help.

Anything to help the air be more laminar underneath will help the downforce. Packaging is obviously the issue here.
 
pontiacgp said:
I'm thinking of fabricating a diffuser system under the car. I know with the underside of the these cars it won't be full system but I think I can get the air flow under the car to give the car less resistance which will increase fuel milage and improve handling. Anyone else pondering this idea?


Maybe we should clear the air with the definition of a diffuser and a splitter before we go any further.

Some people use the term interchangebly.
 
Why not just try to overcome sloppy aerodynamics with a massive air induction system up front instead. With a lowering bracket and some different springs + little good math, a chip and some ducting you could achieve a similar feeling effect for a couple thousand dollars less - and still be able to use the trunk. I suspect your theory is reasonable, but whether it is attainable is another question entirely. I suspect a guy could easily whither away $10 - 15,000 trying to get the physics right trying to achieve the effect you just described.
 
I have the springs and the set up where I can chase my son's BMW 335 xi around corners. The race car doesn't need much to get ready for next season and I just need to freshen up my engine in my GP once I find the heads I'm looking for and to install the read disk set up I have so I have time to waste sort of...

I don't want to use a splitter like on the Mustang unless it's an inch off the ground and I like the subtle look. I can deflect the air around my front wheels but I have to figure out what to do with the centers section where my exhaust runs and around the rear axle. The way the tank is shaped and placed a rear defusser should fit nice if I can channel the air to it and create some downforce

the front and rear isn't hard to figure out, it's the centre
 

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Well every time I talk to GP I find we have similar taste in cars. I too love bmw, and I remember we talked about those bilstein shocks one time. I would love to be able to afford to do my front end like yours and do some cornering. I'd like to see what you come up w for this diffuser idea it sounds really cool. I am skeptical it can be done at a practical cost, but not skeptical that you can do it. Be sure to make a lot of 'before' and 'after' info so guys can decide whether or not to follow in your footsteps! +++
 
I have the advantage of working on a race car and have access to the shop for my own projects. I'm the main fabricator for the car and worked on fabrication on prototype aircraft for longer than I want to remember so I'll see what I can come up with. It would be nice if the race car owner would buy us a wind tunnel though.. 🙂
 
307 Regal said:
Like this?
FrontSplitter.jpg

^Somebody was pondering that idea. I remember seeing a thread about it but I don't remember any keywords to find it.
Think you could get away with a rear diffuser too?
just make this the other day. i doubt it do's much but i like the look
 
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