Alright, which one of you tried accessing my credit? Includes a PSA.

69hurstolds

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I jest, but I had an eye opening experience today when I opened the mail and inside an unmarked envelope was a packet from Wells Fargo welcoming me to their financial credit arm, with a NEW credit card and everything! And a whopping north of $10K credit limit! Just call and activate the card and the next 12 months I get 0% promotional APR on all new purchases. What's not to love?

Only one teensy little issue- I never applied. I'm like, WTF? I know there a couple of my credit cards that were due to renew soon, but nobody said anything about a Wells Fargo account. I haven't applied for a new credit card in many years, so I know it wasn't me. It's against Federal law to just send someone an unsolicited credit card anymore without the customer requesting it, so it shouldn't be someone trying to fish for someone that will blindly activate an account. I've never had a Wells Fargo account so they couldn't pull an end-around "renewal" credit card send, either.

I first verified, then called Wells Fargo customer service number and got routed to a credit card advocate and after explaining what happened they ran a check and found it was applied for online on 7/25/21 (6 days ago). Wow, that was fast. I assured them I did not apply for the card, nor anyone else in the household did. The guy on the phone suspected fraudulent activity (ya think?) and I was then routed to their fraud division. After talking to them, they cancelled the account after verifying 0 balance and no activity, and the account information history shows the account was never even activated (duh). They said no replacement card will be going out and this account is locked and closed. They were going to have their investigative team backtrack the online application and find out where it originated, and start the process for criminal activity. They kept apologizing for the situation, and they were going to reach out to the credit bureaus to ensure that no inquiry is recorded due to fraudulent actions and I would be getting information in the mail as to the status of that (like they were doing me a favor, although Federal law says they have to do that). They seemed sincere and were anxious to chase this down. The lady on the phone says the online forms are actually easier to backtrack because of the digital footprints they leave. I figure they know what to look for even if they did spoof them.

Now for the Public Service Announcement- As I never felt the need to do it before, I broke down and put a freeze on all my credit reports at the big 3 credit reporting bureaus. It is free to do so at all 3 places. Equifax does not require a PIN to temporarily or permanently lift a freeze, but Transunion and Experian does. All a freeze does is prevent any 3rd party from pulling your credit report. Law enforcement and the hosting bureau can pull it in official capacity. If the lender can't pull it, they don't lend. You can temporarily lift it if you know you're going to apply for credit, so you can thaw it for a few days while the bank gets your new car loan ready. I haven't placed a fraud alert on any just yet, until I get some further corroborating evidence as to if it was indeed fraud, I'm going to wait on doing that. Also, a credit report freeze does NOTHING to any existing accounts, so your current auto loan company can still check your credit periodically. If someone rips off your Master Card credit card, a freeze won't help you, although the credit card companies can usually freeze your applicable account. A freeze basically just protects from any new credit from being established without your actions.

BUT- while Equifax and Transunion don't have any problem having the link on their pages so you can use the freeze option, Experian hides theirs. They want you to join their protection plan and pay them monthly so you can lock/unlock your credit report whenever you like. So they don't make it easy to find how to set up a freeze on your report.

So if you can't seem to find the "freeze" option on Experian, here's the link you need to do it, in case anyone was wondering.

A freeze isn't for everyone, so use it if you feel the need. Also, you want to make sure you check all 3 credit reports at least annually by using https://www.annualcreditreport.com/index.action and check them in detail to make sure there isn't any fraudulent activity.

There's a bunch of azzholes out there waiting to screw you. All you can do is your best to c*ck block them at every turn.
 
Last month in the Pittsburgh area ther were dozens of people getting new credit cards in the mail like that. Never applied but got a new card like you did. Maybe this is a new way to fish for a new fraud victim now.
 
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Last month in the Pittsburgh area ther were dozens of people getting new credit cards in the mail like that. Never applied but got a new card like you did. Maybe this is a new way to fish for a new fraud victim now.
Maybe. I'm not sure how they would benefit from that unless they know that the information worked. Perhaps. I don't know how since they mailed it to my home address. But then again, they could be fishing around and see if they could possibly start opening the credit accounts and then start changing addresses. I don't know. There's been no other strange activity on my credit reports.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly how it benefits the thief to take a credit card out in my name and have it sent it to me. It has to be something indirect.
 
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I really don't understand how Wells Fargo is still in business. There have been several instances of them having shady business practices. There must be something great about them or consumers don't pay attention to the news???
 
If we were going to steal from you it would be NOS parts. You know better! 😡
Yeah, probably should have known... 🙂

I also found out there's actually a fourth credit bureau of sorts. Innovis is the name. I had heard of Innovis, but didn't realize what they were, exactly. They're the ones that work with the "firm offers" people. You know, the insurance company that sends you the junk mail of a credit card offer or an insurance offer. The 3rd parties ask Innovis for a credit record of yours so they can decide whether or not if you qualify for an instant offer of credit/insurance, etc. Well, I froze that one too. I mean, who needs someone taking crap out of your mailbox and getting a new credit card by filling out a pre-approved offer?

There's one more thing I did as well. I put a 5-year moratorium on pre-screened offers too. If you go to OptOutPrescreen.com, you can option out for 5 years online (or permanently if you mail in a form), so nothing goes out to prescreener companies. You can always opt back in if you desire, but my credit is excellent and I have no need for more insurance or credit cards at my life's juncture. I didn't even realize this was out there for consumers until I started researching things to consider doing for potential identity theft. Website cautions that some places may have requested information already but haven't acted on that, so it could take a few months to see prescreened offers to slow and stop.

I'll just have to wait and see. So far I'm not out of any money, so that's good. Check your credit reports, people!!!
 
Remember when someone opened an insurance policy in my name? https://gbodyforum.com/threads/insurance-fraud-attempt.81502/ i still don't get how someone benefits from YOU getting a card. Now, as a Mailman, if I did that and yanked the card instead of delivering it to you, well that would make sense. Of course I would get caught and fired but dickheads don't think like that.
 
You don't have to apply for cards. Credit Card Companies send them out to see how many get activated. I get them all the time with the blank checks. Made a Check out for 1 million just too see what it would look like (it went into the shredder) Put a credit bureaus lock on your account so credit inquires will be blocked. The only thing is that when you do a purchase that requires a credit check, you have to unlock the account.
 
Remember when someone opened an insurance policy in my name? https://gbodyforum.com/threads/insurance-fraud-attempt.81502/ i still don't get how someone benefits from YOU getting a card. Now, as a Mailman, if I did that and yanked the card instead of delivering it to you, well that would make sense. Of course I would get caught and fired but dickheads don't think like that.
My wife was a victim of tax fraud years ago with the fools in the Chicago area using our home address at a H&R Block. We found this out when they sent us a partial advance return check. It was a kinda good thing H&R Block did it that way but a Pa resident doing taxes in Illinois should of got some more flags to pop up. Worst thing was the fools didn't waste time to try to file since they had it done before we got all our stuff to file.
 
You don't have to apply for cards. Credit Card Companies send them out to see how many get activated. I get them all the time with the blank checks. Made a Check out for 1 million just too see what it would look like (it went into the shredder) Put a credit bureaus lock on your account so credit inquires will be blocked. The only thing is that when you do a purchase that requires a credit check, you have to unlock the account.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. It is against the law for lender companies to send an unsolicited credit card to someone that did not ask for one. I even looked it up for you. Regulation Z Provisions of the Truth in Lending Act kicks in. Credit card companies don't want to chance getting their azz in a sling.

Regulation Z is a federal law that standardizes how lenders convey the cost of borrowing to consumers. It also restricts certain lending practices and protects consumers from misleading lending practices.

Straight out of Title 12 Code of Federal Regulations:

12 CFR Part 1026.12 Special Credit Card Provisions.

§ 1026.12
(a)
Issuance of credit cards. Regardless of the purpose for which a credit card is to be used, including business, commercial, or agricultural use, no credit card shall be issued to any person except:
(1) In response to an oral or written request or application for the card; or
(2) As a renewal of, or substitute for, an accepted credit card.

As I had previously stated, I have freezes in effect for all 4 credit bureaus. A lock would require more information, such as a letter from the FTC and/or supporting documentation like a police report, etc., unless you want to pay for the service. Locking/unlocking is instantaneous. Freezes have to be lifted no later than one hour after a phone/online request is made (federal law again) or within 3 days after receipt of a mail request.
 

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