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TURNA said:
everything done after him is a direct result of what he did. he started it...so i blame him more than anyone else.
thanks tricky dick!
I was doing a search and came accross this thread.
Patriotism, racial slurs and political views aside for a minute so i can share some perspective as i have 15 years of experience interacting with the Chinese - i cant even count how many times i have been in factories in China.
The Chinese typically dont know how to market their brands and or the products in the US. In most product categories - especially automotive aftermarket - the Chinese are building based on a company in the US's requirements.
I can pretty much guarantee you the Chinese didnt come up with all these parts. I dont know who owns Procomp but in many cases a company either based in the USA or owned by a United States citizen approached a China based manufacturer to buld them a line of product.
If you want to blame someone , blame the company that went to the Chinese Manufacturer and said I need a distributor that cost $15 to build, add to that their shipping and duty costs they figure the sell it for X and make a profit of Y. In many cases the US company sets a target price and the factory said heres what you get. Quality and Inspection and Reliability are only as good as the customer asks. The way the factory sees it, the US company get swhat they pay for too. Oh Mr Customer you want 100% inspection, oh Mr Customer you want regular audit for life testing, or Mr Customer you want on line check points that will all cost you more. Oh Mr Customer you dont want to pay more than you get what you get.
The problem is starting in our own backyard. There are not very many China based factories with the abilitiy to dump low cost aftermarket parts in the US. In most of the cases its a US based company going to them and importing.
You cant say China makes bad product. China is a country. Companies make bad product. and it doesnt matter if they are in China, the USA or anywhere. Company owners are greedy and or want to sell based only on price and dont care about what happens after they have your money.
Unless Procomp is owned by the Chinese i think you should be blaming the people that created this line of product.
As a comparison a large percentage of your cell phones, televisions and computers are made in China. Do you feel these products are all as poor quality as the parts you mention? There is a pretty good chance the companies marketing and selling these items have very strict quality standards.
Patriotism, racial slurs and political views aside for a minute so i can share some perspective as i have 15 years of experience interacting with the Chinese - i cant even count how many times i have been in factories in China.
The Chinese typically dont know how to market their brands and or the products in the US. In most product categories - especially automotive aftermarket - the Chinese are building based on a company in the US's requirements.
I can pretty much guarantee you the Chinese didnt come up with all these parts. I dont know who owns Procomp but in many cases a company either based in the USA or owned by a United States citizen approached a China based manufacturer to buld them a line of product.
If you want to blame someone , blame the company that went to the Chinese Manufacturer and said I need a distributor that cost $15 to build, add to that their shipping and duty costs they figure the sell it for X and make a profit of Y. In many cases the US company sets a target price and the factory said heres what you get. Quality and Inspection and Reliability are only as good as the customer asks. The way the factory sees it, the US company get swhat they pay for too. Oh Mr Customer you want 100% inspection, oh Mr Customer you want regular audit for life testing, or Mr Customer you want on line check points that will all cost you more. Oh Mr Customer you dont want to pay more than you get what you get.
The problem is starting in our own backyard. There are not very many China based factories with the abilitiy to dump low cost aftermarket parts in the US. In most of the cases its a US based company going to them and importing.
You cant say China makes bad product. China is a country. Companies make bad product. and it doesnt matter if they are in China, the USA or anywhere. Company owners are greedy and or want to sell based only on price and dont care about what happens after they have your money.
Unless Procomp is owned by the Chinese i think you should be blaming the people that created this line of product.
As a comparison a large percentage of your cell phones, televisions and computers are made in China. Do you feel these products are all as poor quality as the parts you mention? There is a pretty good chance the companies marketing and selling these items have very strict quality standards.
Well I am glad people stopped picking on the asians. I for one really like the Asian women. :lol:
Honestly, I am amazed this thread made it as far as it did.
Where something is made has absolutely nothing to do with the product quality. In 1976 harley decided to import their parts from Japan & build the bikes here.. You cannot buy a harley made in the US, only assembled..
Complain all you want about the quality of the part or about how 10 year old kids work there. Be my guest. To put down a country & group millions of people together as inferior is just crazy talk.
For the record, if anyone of you truly believes in 100% american then get rid of your TV, your cell phone, computer in many cases and your microwave. Then talk to me about not being a hypocrit.
Where something is made has absolutely nothing to do with the product quality. In 1976 harley decided to import their parts from Japan & build the bikes here.. You cannot buy a harley made in the US, only assembled..
Complain all you want about the quality of the part or about how 10 year old kids work there. Be my guest. To put down a country & group millions of people together as inferior is just crazy talk.
For the record, if anyone of you truly believes in 100% american then get rid of your TV, your cell phone, computer in many cases and your microwave. Then talk to me about not being a hypocrit.
I sometimes buy stuff direct from China through E-Bay, and the quality is not always bad. I just bought a 10 band shortwave radio from Hong Kong for $12 with shipping. It even lets me listen to communist propaganda in English from China, Cuba and Vietnam! Sadly, I can't afford an American one and would never spend the kind of money it would cost to buy one made here as it's just not that important. The sad truth is that even if it is sold by an American company, the circuit board will probably come from Guangzhou, China. An interesting thing I heard on shortwave (On China Radio International) tonight is that the Chinese expect to consume 1/4 of the world's industrial production by 2020, and that most of that is expected to be produced domestically. The sad thing is that I don't know whether it was boastful propaganda, or reality.
The biggest problem is that the Yuan is artificially depressed against other world currencies which makes Chinese manufacturing so cost effective that it is impossible to compete against them. If the Yuan is not allowed to float, and current trade policies remain in place, the trend will continue as it is. The sad thing is that Western economies, especially for the poor, now rely on cheap Chinese labor to produce our technological goods. Take that away, and the technology gap between the rich and poor will become significantly wider. It's not that prices will just go up, it's that consumption will also go down so that the net effect to the lower income classes will be that their quality of life goes down. It is a fine balancing act that will have to be played if the West is to ever wean itself off of Chinese labor without causing harm to it's own people.
Remember too that China is not the only fast developing economy that we trade with, it is just the one that has had the most time to develop it's economic model. We also trade with India, and increasingly with The People's Republic of Vietnam. Vietnam has a fast developing tech industry too, which could become a real player in the next 15-20 years. The biggest reason is infrastructure. In the past, the West went through it's redevelopment in the immediate post-war period after WWII, and it's industries and factories were designed around those models. The same can also be said for the Warsaw Pact nations (USSR, Poland, East Germany, et.al.). Now, those infrastructure investments are no longer valid, and in many cases are old and crumbling. The reality of today is that nations like China, Vietnam and India that are only now industrializing are building the infrastructure needed for today's business environment. To compete, we need to reassess the old models in light of current needs and restructure where needed. If we fail to do so, we will become like so many nations before us, has beens in the history books.
Finally, we have to address Climate Change laws and treaties. Those that are on the books now do not address "developing nations" such as China and India, and only impact the first world countries. This puts the US and Europe at a distinct competitive disadvantage should they choose to adopt agreements such as the Kyoto Protocol. It makes industrial redevelopment too expensive, so the manufacturing gets outsourced to nations that do not have these costs involved with production. Sad to say, but we are all shooting ourselves in the collective feet.
The biggest problem is that the Yuan is artificially depressed against other world currencies which makes Chinese manufacturing so cost effective that it is impossible to compete against them. If the Yuan is not allowed to float, and current trade policies remain in place, the trend will continue as it is. The sad thing is that Western economies, especially for the poor, now rely on cheap Chinese labor to produce our technological goods. Take that away, and the technology gap between the rich and poor will become significantly wider. It's not that prices will just go up, it's that consumption will also go down so that the net effect to the lower income classes will be that their quality of life goes down. It is a fine balancing act that will have to be played if the West is to ever wean itself off of Chinese labor without causing harm to it's own people.
Remember too that China is not the only fast developing economy that we trade with, it is just the one that has had the most time to develop it's economic model. We also trade with India, and increasingly with The People's Republic of Vietnam. Vietnam has a fast developing tech industry too, which could become a real player in the next 15-20 years. The biggest reason is infrastructure. In the past, the West went through it's redevelopment in the immediate post-war period after WWII, and it's industries and factories were designed around those models. The same can also be said for the Warsaw Pact nations (USSR, Poland, East Germany, et.al.). Now, those infrastructure investments are no longer valid, and in many cases are old and crumbling. The reality of today is that nations like China, Vietnam and India that are only now industrializing are building the infrastructure needed for today's business environment. To compete, we need to reassess the old models in light of current needs and restructure where needed. If we fail to do so, we will become like so many nations before us, has beens in the history books.
Finally, we have to address Climate Change laws and treaties. Those that are on the books now do not address "developing nations" such as China and India, and only impact the first world countries. This puts the US and Europe at a distinct competitive disadvantage should they choose to adopt agreements such as the Kyoto Protocol. It makes industrial redevelopment too expensive, so the manufacturing gets outsourced to nations that do not have these costs involved with production. Sad to say, but we are all shooting ourselves in the collective feet.
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