Could Pontiac be coming back?!?

[Ribbedroof]

Wouldn't REALLY be a Pontiac tho, with a "corporate" engine, would it? Because there's no way they would go backwards to Pontiac power.

(Disclaimer, didn't watch it, YT is full of clickbait)

 

[Bonnewagon]

Pontiac power.

Maybe something new? A hybrid would be cool.

 

[gnvair]

Wouldn't REALLY be a Pontiac tho, with a "corporate" engine, would it? Because there's no way they would go backwards to Pontiac power.

(Disclaimer, didn't watch it, YT is full of clickbait)

It will never be an individual divisions engine. Those days are long gone.

 

[CopperNick]

$175,000 USD???? OWWWW--CHHH!!! That would translate into around a quarter Mil when the taxes and pre-delivery dealer prep is added in. Around here that is about as much as a decent house can cost and the choice becomes much simpler when you factor in trying to sleep in a cold car in the wintertime.


Nick

 

[pagrunt]

And they are killing the Malibu/Impala lines

From what I understand, the Malibu is going away to make room for a comparable EV. Perhaps GM, er, gm, didn't get the message.

As long as Mary Barra is in charge you will not see ANY new performance cars. GM has been so screwed up since she has been in charge. GM has yet to field any successful electric vehicles. The way the market has been trending, replacing the Malibu with a full electric is guaranteed to result in failure.
Right now, the only GM sedans that will be available with an internal combustion engine will be Cadillacs.
Pretty sad state of affairs if you ask me.
Even Mercedes has back tracked on going full electric. Ford and Toyota as well.

The Malibu actually did have a good year with over 130,000 for 2023 & not getting any love from GM for promoting it. Of all things it's beiing discontinued to make space for the next Bolt at the plant in Kansas. I does make sense to dump the last passenger car model for a model that its last generation that is a fire hazard that can't be part inside or too close to buildings. GM has its collective mind set EV is the only way as Cadillac's gas cars should be going away soon. Until they see what the public wants along with what there is for supporting EV's GM's execs will continue on this path.

 

[pagrunt]

how nice would it be to see a 1973 firebird come out new

It's possible.

https://realdealsteel.com/c-1158230-bodies-1970-81-camaro-firebird.html

https://realdealsteel.com/i-23903208-1970-73-firebird-coupe-body-shell-with-automatic-factory-air-conditioning-firewall.html

 

[86LK]

And they are killing the Malibu/Impala lines

yep, no more 4dr cars, everything is now SUV. apparently even Ford doesn't have a car except for the Mustang, everything is truck or SUV

 

[69hurstolds]

yep, no more 4dr cars, everything is now SUV. apparently even Ford doesn't have a car except for the Mustang, everything is truck or SUV

Caddy still has the 2025 CT4/CT5 coming. And although previous plans were to kill the CT4/5 after 2025, I'm thinking they may rethink that. Although, it's gm, so you never know what they're thinking. The bean-counters have won. When was the last time you saw a car company with actual "car guys" running the divisions? Innovating high-performance on the cheap and giving the people what they want instead of what EPA says they can build?

With stricter emissions standards coming, it really helps that car companies include EVs into their lineups because that helps CAFE. It puts the car companies in a horrible position. People still want gas powered cars for the most part, early EV adopters are starting to run thinner now, EVs are costing car companies with every sale darn near. Until they can bring the price of EVs down, unfortunately they won't sell. Plus they still haven't figured out how to quell the range anxiety situation and cold charging issues. With the way everything is going, nobody can afford to buy their own place and buy their own home charging station. So they HAVE to build more public charging stations or EV sales will remain sluggish.

And China, as expected, is flooding the market with their cheap little EVs that will give them a bad name overall, I'm betting. Of course, the protectionism tariffs on the China EVs here in the U.S. do not make them cheap. Which is a good thing, IMO. I do laugh when these "analysts" say that EV sales are up 15% over last year. Yeah, so what? When you're 2% of the market, then any sales at all are going to appear huge in percentage numbers. While the percentages may be true, the skewing of the figures is misleading. It's like when someone claims they added more jobs to the economy than any other guy in history without explaining the asterisk of Covid.

I don't know what's going to happen going forward. Crossovers and SUVs suck. EVs are soul-less to me. Trucks are selling great, but again, they consume more energy that sedans, so they can't build everything as a truck and expect to be profitable while meeting stricter and stricter standards.

Something's got to give.

 

[pagrunt]

Something's got to give.

The consumer. Even as a home owner I'd have to up the amp rating of my service entrance just to have a charger. Then being a two daily driver house for now would one charger set up be OK or will each EV needs it own? Then being in a rural area could we all charge or go California with random brown outs &/or resrticted charging times? This whole EV thing is like watching two sets of train tracks being built to meet in the middle but ends up being off& passing each other up with no real thought on how to make both work together,

 

[86LK]

Caddy still has the 2025 CT4/CT5 coming. And although previous plans were to kill the CT4/5 after 2025, I'm thinking they may rethink that. Although, it's gm, so you never know what they're thinking. The bean-counters have won. When was the last time you saw a car company with actual "car guys" running the divisions? Innovating high-performance on the cheap and giving the people what they want instead of what EPA says they can build?

With stricter emissions standards coming, it really helps that car companies include EVs into their lineups because that helps CAFE. It puts the car companies in a horrible position. People still want gas powered cars for the most part, early EV adopters are starting to run thinner now, EVs are costing car companies with every sale darn near. Until they can bring the price of EVs down, unfortunately they won't sell. Plus they still haven't figured out how to quell the range anxiety situation and cold charging issues. With the way everything is going, nobody can afford to buy their own place and buy their own home charging station. So they HAVE to build more public charging stations or EV sales will remain sluggish.

And China, as expected, is flooding the market with their cheap little EVs that will give them a bad name overall, I'm betting. Of course, the protectionism tariffs on the China EVs here in the U.S. do not make them cheap. Which is a good thing, IMO. I do laugh when these "analysts" say that EV sales are up 15% over last year. Yeah, so what? When you're 2% of the market, then any sales at all are going to appear huge in percentage numbers. While the percentages may be true, the skewing of the figures is misleading. It's like when someone claims they added more jobs to the economy than any other guy in history without explaining the asterisk of Covid.

I don't know what's going to happen going forward. Crossovers and SUVs suck. EVs are soul-less to me. Trucks are selling great, but again, they consume more energy that sedans, so they can't build everything as a truck and expect to be profitable while meeting stricter and stricter standards.

Something's got to give.

what I don't get is why they aren't building more hybrids. they're proven power plants, adaptable to different platforms, so I don't think battery placement/storage is an issue. if they just made every platform a hybrid that would cut costs with everything being standardized for that platform. it would also get them ahead of the curve for meeting CAFE standards. my wife has a 2017 Hyundai Sonata Limited hybrid and I've been very happy with it's capabilities, power, and range. (she just likes the nice fancy sedan and leather seating 🙄 )