I am looking a few notches ahead while I await the 2711 on backorder. Over the weekend I basically put the last things together besides the intake and carb. What a Chunk! It has to be getting near 700 lbs now! So I have read the threads here and also Classic Olds since the engine is from 1968. I installed the Thornton cast iron exhaust manifolds and since I am not working from a replacing the engine standpoint, but swapping, I have a lot of questions about the exhaust pipes, and nothing I have will work. I do not need CATs, that is first, and my Olds Guru tells me 2.25" inch pipes at the donut to 2" at the other end will give me the sound. What I am trying to find is a source of downpipes, that will work well enough for me to start and break-in the engine before I can get it to a muffler shop for the exhaust fitting. I gave up on a DIY system as I cannot weld or bend or cut, and I want the mellow tone of a W-31. Anyone that can give me a source for downpipes in a G Body will be appreciated. I have some great photos of superior looking exhausts with x pipes all put together nicely to fit an Olds 88 or a Trans-am with a 403, but I can't find a G Body Olds. The Thorntons move the right side from stock. I am down to a couple of big dollar expenses now and I want to have it all in place as soon as I can. Summer Shows are already going! It looks like one down pipe bends 90 degrees nearly while the other has a more shallow path.