A problem with LS swaps is the expense of headers. Holley has them but they are $400+ for mid length mild steel and $550+ for long tubes. Stainless long tubes are upwards of $1100. Nice, but when you are on a budget and the fact that they cost more than most of the complete engines do it is often cost prohibitive.
Enter- Speed Engineering 98-02 F body stainless long tubes. Speed Eng copied pacesetter mild steel ones at a lower cost. I paid $242 shipped. http://www.speed-engineering.com/sh...3-4-1998-02-camaro-firebird-race-version.html
No, these won't be drop in like specific swap headers but if you have any fab skills they are a great option. Before you say its China junk these are actually pretty nice. I magnet tested the tubes and they are legit stainless. Flanges on the other hand were fairly magnetic and looked coated. My bet is that the tubes are 304 and the flanges are mild steel. Tubes are thin however. Not as thick as I would expect a $1000 set but these aren't bad. Welding isn't bad either. I was pleasantly surprised at the quality.
And before you say its un 'merican to buy Chinese stuff, damn near most header options are made offshore. From what I understand even TSP long tubes are made in Yulong Dingdong China.
This fitment applies to both the Speed Eng OR Pacesetter 1 3/4" longtubes. They are the same, just the ripoff stainless set are $70 less. Speed Eng offers a 1 7/8" set too. I don't know how they fit.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/psm-70-2256
I am using home made mounts on my 6.0 with a pickup pan bolted to a 2004R. Engine sits as low as possible (tie rods are about 1/4" from the bottom of the pan when turning) and the engine is as far ahead as the stock trans mount allows. No notching of the AC box or cross member has been done.
I put the passenger header in through the top without the starter. Drivers side went in through the bottom. It wont go in the top. To get the header in through the bottom you have to bend the flange where the firewall and floor meets. It barely fits but it does.
The flash screwed up here but the drivers side points a bit towards the frame. Collector hits the column shift to trans linkage preventing the header from bolting on straight. If you don't run that link it goes it without issue. Doesn't hit the crossmember, frame or anything. Looks like it was made for it.
They don't sit down too far either.
Drivers side generally OK
Passenger side does need mods, #4 primary hits the upper control arm and frame. If you wanted to hammer them they would fit.
Otherwise they are a really good starter kit.
In review
Pacesetter #70-2256 or Speed Engineering (cant find the part #)
Good- Cheap, fit damn near perfect.
Bad- Drivers header hits the trans shift linkage. Passenger header primary #4 hits the UCA and frame. Dents would clear.
Coming up I will show the mods I do to make them fit without dents.
Enter- Speed Engineering 98-02 F body stainless long tubes. Speed Eng copied pacesetter mild steel ones at a lower cost. I paid $242 shipped. http://www.speed-engineering.com/sh...3-4-1998-02-camaro-firebird-race-version.html
No, these won't be drop in like specific swap headers but if you have any fab skills they are a great option. Before you say its China junk these are actually pretty nice. I magnet tested the tubes and they are legit stainless. Flanges on the other hand were fairly magnetic and looked coated. My bet is that the tubes are 304 and the flanges are mild steel. Tubes are thin however. Not as thick as I would expect a $1000 set but these aren't bad. Welding isn't bad either. I was pleasantly surprised at the quality.
And before you say its un 'merican to buy Chinese stuff, damn near most header options are made offshore. From what I understand even TSP long tubes are made in Yulong Dingdong China.
This fitment applies to both the Speed Eng OR Pacesetter 1 3/4" longtubes. They are the same, just the ripoff stainless set are $70 less. Speed Eng offers a 1 7/8" set too. I don't know how they fit.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/psm-70-2256
I am using home made mounts on my 6.0 with a pickup pan bolted to a 2004R. Engine sits as low as possible (tie rods are about 1/4" from the bottom of the pan when turning) and the engine is as far ahead as the stock trans mount allows. No notching of the AC box or cross member has been done.
I put the passenger header in through the top without the starter. Drivers side went in through the bottom. It wont go in the top. To get the header in through the bottom you have to bend the flange where the firewall and floor meets. It barely fits but it does.
The flash screwed up here but the drivers side points a bit towards the frame. Collector hits the column shift to trans linkage preventing the header from bolting on straight. If you don't run that link it goes it without issue. Doesn't hit the crossmember, frame or anything. Looks like it was made for it.
They don't sit down too far either.
Drivers side generally OK
Passenger side does need mods, #4 primary hits the upper control arm and frame. If you wanted to hammer them they would fit.
Otherwise they are a really good starter kit.
In review
Pacesetter #70-2256 or Speed Engineering (cant find the part #)
Good- Cheap, fit damn near perfect.
Bad- Drivers header hits the trans shift linkage. Passenger header primary #4 hits the UCA and frame. Dents would clear.
Coming up I will show the mods I do to make them fit without dents.
