Liberalism vs Fascism
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politics will always be politics. the thing i do not like about Obama is every time he talks, he trys talking like Martin Luther King Jr. geeze get your own personality man. i feel like i am getting spammed every time i listen to him.
Well, the scary thing is, he IS talking some of MLK's more radical politics. He was right on many things (Like legal equality for people of all racial and ethnic groups), but a little too socialist on a few others. Things like a national minimum income, etc. However, to question him now is a third rail of politics since he is such a huge symbol. Nelson Mandela was a communist when he was arrested in 1962, but he has since changed his politics.
As for the Trabant, I have my own ideas as to what I would do with it. From some of my research, I believe it is a body on frame construction. So, I would eliminate it's 50 year old East German technology and replace it with something more modern. If you think about it, making it RWD would compromise the floor space it has now as it currently has no tunnel in the floor. I would keep it FWD, but build a new frame and mount Honda Civic double wishbone suspension to it along with the 4 wheel disc brakes of an Integra and the SOHC VTEC engine from a Civic EX along with that car's transmission. It only weighs 1350lbs stock, and I figure my changes would bring it up to around 1500-1600. I would mount the gas tank and battery in the trunk to offset the D16Z6's extra weight over the nose. Still VERY quick and economical with 120-130hp. Also, the Honda uses a VERY small radiator which is a packaging plus in a car that never had a radiator to begin with. Using a typical SBC/TH-350/ 7.5 rear combo would probably make the car weigh as much as 2,000 lbs. This would throw off the handling and weight distribution. Plus, that car is TINY! There is little room for all of that extra stuff.
As for the Trabant, I have my own ideas as to what I would do with it. From some of my research, I believe it is a body on frame construction. So, I would eliminate it's 50 year old East German technology and replace it with something more modern. If you think about it, making it RWD would compromise the floor space it has now as it currently has no tunnel in the floor. I would keep it FWD, but build a new frame and mount Honda Civic double wishbone suspension to it along with the 4 wheel disc brakes of an Integra and the SOHC VTEC engine from a Civic EX along with that car's transmission. It only weighs 1350lbs stock, and I figure my changes would bring it up to around 1500-1600. I would mount the gas tank and battery in the trunk to offset the D16Z6's extra weight over the nose. Still VERY quick and economical with 120-130hp. Also, the Honda uses a VERY small radiator which is a packaging plus in a car that never had a radiator to begin with. Using a typical SBC/TH-350/ 7.5 rear combo would probably make the car weigh as much as 2,000 lbs. This would throw off the handling and weight distribution. Plus, that car is TINY! There is little room for all of that extra stuff.
Now if you want something that could use a V8, how about this custom 1950's Soviet GAZ Volga?
Full story here:http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2006/09/volga-v8-roadster-russians-overhaul.html
I dunno about you, but I love the way that car came out!
Full story here:http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2006/09/volga-v8-roadster-russians-overhaul.html
I dunno about you, but I love the way that car came out!
85 Cutlass Brougham said:
We already have legal equality - in fact, we have more than that including affirmative action, which is reverse discrimination. But thats the first I've heard about a national minimum income - that is insane!!
If you read through the article I posted in the first post to this, you will see FDR's "Worker's Bill of Rights" that he wanted post-war. Here it is:
>The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation.
>The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment.
>The right of every family to a decent home.
>The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation.
If things like that get passed, we will have a situation like existed in the former East Germany. As I was researching the Trabant, I can accross a quote from a Trabant factory worker who said something to the effect that he lived in socialism so it did not matter how well or fast they did their jobs. They thought they would always be there. Now what? This is telling as to why the plant employed lots and lots of people but they only produced 150k cars a year, and there was a 10-15 year waiting list for them! When there is no competition, there is no incentive to do well.
>The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation.
>The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment.
>The right of every family to a decent home.
>The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation.
If things like that get passed, we will have a situation like existed in the former East Germany. As I was researching the Trabant, I can accross a quote from a Trabant factory worker who said something to the effect that he lived in socialism so it did not matter how well or fast they did their jobs. They thought they would always be there. Now what? This is telling as to why the plant employed lots and lots of people but they only produced 150k cars a year, and there was a 10-15 year waiting list for them! When there is no competition, there is no incentive to do well.
>The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation.
this actually means that if you can not get a job, the gov't will provide you with one. we have a lot of unemployed people right now and a lot of illegal immigrants. kick the illegals out and make the unemployed work in the fields or landscaping. it also means that you can not be kept from working if you are qualified and want to work. communist countries, if your party boss didn't like you, you were prevented from working.
>The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment.
just because you're over 50, called in with the flu (or pregnancy), had an accident (on the job), you can not be fired or discriminated against when looking for a job. if you can not find a job because your field dissappeared, you will receive monetary help until you are retraind for a new job and employed.
>The right of every family to a decent home.
home not house. everyone has the right to not be living on the streets. and that you can't be denied an apartment or mortgage etc, based on race color creed, etc. (or because your party boss doesn't like you)
>The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation.
you shall receive a fair, livable pay for the amount of work you do. you should not have "to owe the company store" all the time and should be able to go out and do something outside of work once in awhile.
you're thinking of the classic russian quote (it spread to all communist countries) "as long as the bosses pretend to pay us, we will pretend to work" when FDR created the New Deal and the other, yes socialist but not communist, programs he made people wok, but he paid them. he built hydroelectric dams across the country, that we still use today, gave hundreds of thousands of people jobs, built up the transport system, helped revitalize the agricultural community and indeed the ENTIRE US ECONOMY!!! he brought us out of the depression, before any other country. and in many ways stronger than any other country. all without restricting civil liberties, massive military build-ups (they came later), or ursuping power from the states. if he hadn't we would not have had the infrastructure to build the liberty ships, thousands on thousands of modern warplanes, rebuild the pacific fleet battleships, build entire new fleets, marine and army divisions, atomic bombs or anything else that allowed us to win WW2 or fight the cold war. we only had about 30% of our GNP dedicated to the war. germany, russia, england, japan, all had 100% of their GNP dedicated to the war effort. you think we could have done that if we were still in a depression in '42?
basic socialism, where the things that are required to live, like electricity, heat, transport infrastructure, etc. are maintained by the gov't is EXTREMELY effective. of course it can be taken too far but what can't? you're perceived "civil liberties" don't mean jack sh*t when it endangers the safety and security of the populace. if they did, you'd have anarchy. which is what this country is headed for since everyone can do whatever they want, and no one takes responsibility for their actions. it's similar to the later "hedonistic" (if you will) years of the roman empire.
this actually means that if you can not get a job, the gov't will provide you with one. we have a lot of unemployed people right now and a lot of illegal immigrants. kick the illegals out and make the unemployed work in the fields or landscaping. it also means that you can not be kept from working if you are qualified and want to work. communist countries, if your party boss didn't like you, you were prevented from working.
>The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment.
just because you're over 50, called in with the flu (or pregnancy), had an accident (on the job), you can not be fired or discriminated against when looking for a job. if you can not find a job because your field dissappeared, you will receive monetary help until you are retraind for a new job and employed.
>The right of every family to a decent home.
home not house. everyone has the right to not be living on the streets. and that you can't be denied an apartment or mortgage etc, based on race color creed, etc. (or because your party boss doesn't like you)
>The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation.
you shall receive a fair, livable pay for the amount of work you do. you should not have "to owe the company store" all the time and should be able to go out and do something outside of work once in awhile.
you're thinking of the classic russian quote (it spread to all communist countries) "as long as the bosses pretend to pay us, we will pretend to work" when FDR created the New Deal and the other, yes socialist but not communist, programs he made people wok, but he paid them. he built hydroelectric dams across the country, that we still use today, gave hundreds of thousands of people jobs, built up the transport system, helped revitalize the agricultural community and indeed the ENTIRE US ECONOMY!!! he brought us out of the depression, before any other country. and in many ways stronger than any other country. all without restricting civil liberties, massive military build-ups (they came later), or ursuping power from the states. if he hadn't we would not have had the infrastructure to build the liberty ships, thousands on thousands of modern warplanes, rebuild the pacific fleet battleships, build entire new fleets, marine and army divisions, atomic bombs or anything else that allowed us to win WW2 or fight the cold war. we only had about 30% of our GNP dedicated to the war. germany, russia, england, japan, all had 100% of their GNP dedicated to the war effort. you think we could have done that if we were still in a depression in '42?
basic socialism, where the things that are required to live, like electricity, heat, transport infrastructure, etc. are maintained by the gov't is EXTREMELY effective. of course it can be taken too far but what can't? you're perceived "civil liberties" don't mean jack sh*t when it endangers the safety and security of the populace. if they did, you'd have anarchy. which is what this country is headed for since everyone can do whatever they want, and no one takes responsibility for their actions. it's similar to the later "hedonistic" (if you will) years of the roman empire.
FDR did not bring us out of the depression- WWII did. It was still going on to some degree throughout the 1930's. Government can not spend us into prosperity. Prosperity comes from private investment and good business decisions. Some of these things helped our economy to grow more rapidly in the war and post war era, but the economy grows from the top down and not from the bottom up.
I do not think any of these things are a right for anyone. The only rights you should have are those in the US Constitution. Income is not a right, it's a privilege. Same goes for housing, etc. Everyone has the ability to fail or succeed in our economy, and I believe you should have the right to fire any employee at your whim if you are an employer. Every employee should start the day with the fear of losing their job in mind. This provides proper encouragement for the lazy to do their jobs well. I would love to see a day when compulsory union membership is outlawed, and employers have the right to fire a union and all of it's workers in order to employ cheaper non union laborers.
I do not think any of these things are a right for anyone. The only rights you should have are those in the US Constitution. Income is not a right, it's a privilege. Same goes for housing, etc. Everyone has the ability to fail or succeed in our economy, and I believe you should have the right to fire any employee at your whim if you are an employer. Every employee should start the day with the fear of losing their job in mind. This provides proper encouragement for the lazy to do their jobs well. I would love to see a day when compulsory union membership is outlawed, and employers have the right to fire a union and all of it's workers in order to employ cheaper non union laborers.
look at the economy back then again. we were pulling out of the depression by the mid 30's. then we started a build up which is the only time the gov't "spent us into prosperity".
if that was true, then we would be doing great! the "top" is richer than ever. hell, the oil company execs have made some of the best business decisions possible. just look at their quarterly statements. has it helped you? no, it's cost you more money. now you have LESS money to invest in the economy. which does more good for the economy, 100,000 new chevy malibu's being bought or 10 rolls royces? (assume the rolls and the malibu were both made in america, from american parts) if you build a tower, do you want a wide top, or a wide base for stability and support.
these are things (somewhat in the case of pregnancy) out of your control, that's why you can't be fired for them (or at least shouldn't be) i said nothing about being lazy, that should get you fired.
those go together. it's called "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" (i know it's the DOI the bill of rights was an extension of that) income is not a priviledge, it's a necessity and everyone has the right to get the things necessary to their survival. also, the constitution does not give you the right to modify your car, IPOD, watch p*rn, own a computer (but it does give you the right to own a gun) or any of the million other things that we do on a daily basis. the founding fathers were very clear that the right they wrote out were not specifics. they were generalisms. what specifically is the right to "freedom of expression"? how about "freedom of the press"? does that mean that all their question MUST be answered, or simply that they can ask any question and publish correct information?
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if that was true, then we would be doing great! the "top" is richer than ever. hell, the oil company execs have made some of the best business decisions possible. just look at their quarterly statements. has it helped you? no, it's cost you more money. now you have LESS money to invest in the economy. which does more good for the economy, 100,000 new chevy malibu's being bought or 10 rolls royces? (assume the rolls and the malibu were both made in america, from american parts) if you build a tower, do you want a wide top, or a wide base for stability and support.
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