Oppurtunity for buick 455

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kornball426

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Hey everyone long time since I've posted, but I just thought I'd drop by to ask... I have an 86 Regal LTD and I have the opportunity to buy two Buick 455's with TH400's. And I was wondering what a good price for those should be (in need of freshening but in running order) and how hard is it to convert from an Olds 307 to a Buick 455?

Just a matter of engine mounts, and transmission crossmember modification... Or is there a whole lot of wiring involved?
 
In good running condition I'd say $500 for motor and maybe $150-200 for the trans. As far as swapping goes, look here: http://v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=66510. I can tell you that you'll only need to extend a wire or two.
 
Lol I feel like a total tool for not searching now. Thanks. :lol:

I can have both pairs for 800 total. Maybe 6 or 7 with a bit of talking down. I'm thinking I'll go for it and keep the better of the two, just put a basic overhaul kit in it... And sell the other one to re-coup a bit of money. Not looking for all out power, but it seems like a fairly inexpensive and major upgrade over my 1 qt of oil per 100 mile, smoking, gutless 307 and TH200 combo.

Even stock it should be close to double the HP and more than double the torque.
 
kornball426 said:
Lol I feel like a total tool for not searching now. Thanks. :lol:

I can have both pairs for 800 total. Maybe 6 or 7 with a bit of talking down. I'm thinking I'll go for it and keep the better of the two, just put a basic overhaul kit in it... And sell the other one to re-coup a bit of money. Not looking for all out power, but it seems like a fairly inexpensive and major upgrade over my 1 qt of oil per 100 mile, smoking, gutless 307 and TH200 combo.

Even stock it should be close to double the HP and more than double the torque.

They're definitely fun to drive and have a ton more torque than any 307 I've ever driven.
 
Well yeah the 307 sucks big time... Haha so that doesn't surprise me. I'd never driven one before owning this car but I've hated it pretty much since day one I've driven it about 22,000 miles since may of last year. It has never died on me other than the alternator crapping out on me, but it's just so weezy and no torque it won't even do a burnout. I don't know if it's because the motor doesn't have the guts or I'm afraid the transmission will fall out of it. But it has never smoked a tire no matter how many times I've tried haha. I was going to do an Olds 455 swap because it will basically bolt right in and the wiring is the same... But I haven't been able to find a good olds 455. Usually I see them 1000+ for what's basically just a core motor pulled out of some mid 70's 88 or 98. I'm not willing to pay that for a motor that needs a total overhaul and doesn't even have C heads or something similar.
 
That's the same reason that I got my Buick 455s. Something must be wrong with your motor or something though. I've never had a problem getting an Olds 307 to spin a tire. The THM-200 trans does suck though.
 
Oh yeah my motor is shot to hell... It leaks from the front and rear main seals, the drain plug leaks, it leaks antifreeze and oil from the temperature sending unit and the intake manifold. The smog pump tubes leak exhaust... It has a lifter tap... And the secondaries on the carb either don't work right or they dump way too much fuel because it bogs when they open and a bunch of smoke dumps out the exhaust. The radiator is shot... I'm sure it has low compression and ring blow by. And I'm some what convinced that the head gasket is blown because two of the plugs have white crud all over them like antifreeze has been getting in there.

Haha... I can't list everything that's wrong with it. But I still drive it anywhere and don't even think about it breaking down. So from that standpoint the 307 is a tough son of a b*tch of a motor. But it has no power what so ever... And that's my main complaint. Especially since it only makes like 8-9 mpg... For that kind of shitty MPG I would expect it to put out some good power.
 
Good choice for a Regal IMO. The Buick 455 is a fairly lightweight motor for a big block, so your F/R weight balance should be decent. A turbo 400 is reasonably cheap to rebuild if necessary and durable as hell, even with big-block torque. With all that torque, you won't need deep gears, so you may be able to get respectable mileage. I have no experience in a G body application, but I've built a few 455 Buicks over the years. The weakest link of a Buick is the oiling system, especially the engine front cover, which serves as the body for the oil pump. If you will have 2 motors, inspect the oil pump area of the front cover carefully and choose the one that shows the least wear. Definitely invest in a set of extended-length oil pump gears. Pack the pump with vaseline and definitely prime with a dummy distributor before the first fire-up. TA performance in the southeast is, IIRC the only Buick V8 specialty vendor around, as Kenne-Bell, the Buick specialists since the 60's have diversified into other makes. Make it a point to visit their website, as they share some valuable tech info. About the only intake manifold commonly available is the Edelbrock performer. It's a good manifold and worth thinking about even if you're not building a race motor because it's so much lighter than the OEM iron piece. TA has a rubber crankshaft seal kit to replace the stock rope seal that's been around since the beginning of time. Be meticulous about main bearing clearances on a Buick, as you need to control oil flow more than most other motors. If you elect to replace the cam, stay mild on your camshaft choice, and set the timing at 30 degrees total advance, as relatively mild Buicks don't seem to like a lot of timing like many other motors. Good luck and keep us posted if you elect to proceed. Sound like a fun project!

Bill
 
kornball426 said:
Well yeah the 307 sucks big time... Haha so that doesn't surprise me. I'd never driven one before owning this car but I've hated it pretty much since day one I've driven it about 22,000 miles since may of last year. It has never died on me other than the alternator crapping out on me, but it's just so weezy and no torque it won't even do a burnout. I don't know if it's because the motor doesn't have the guts or I'm afraid the transmission will fall out of it. But it has never smoked a tire no matter how many times I've tried haha. I was going to do an Olds 455 swap because it will basically bolt right in and the wiring is the same... But I haven't been able to find a good olds 455. Usually I see them 1000+ for what's basically just a core motor pulled out of some mid 70's 88 or 98. I'm not willing to pay that for a motor that needs a total overhaul and doesn't even have C heads or something similar.
If you want it I have an Olds 455, $200 and I help you load it in your truck. I even have the TH350 that was behind it $100. Don't know anything about the motor it is in my parts car, and that was never my focus.
 
When you say you don't know anything about it, do you mean you just don't know if it runs or what condition it's in inside. Or you know nothing about it at all. Yeah I'd be interested... Where are you from? If it's not to to far away that is.

Could you do one other favor, take a look at the engine on front of the cylinder head above the exhaust manifold on the drivers side, there should be
 
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