Blake442 said:Get a 3800/4l60e out of a '93-'02 F-body. Problem solved.
There was a fellow on here a while back that had one in an '86 Cutlass.
ahhh, i never thought of that,f bodys did use that engine.... the commodore is a cool car but importing that drivetrain is way beyond my budget and not worth the hassle but thanks for the help, now what would i need for the aforementioned swap?