RIP GM 3800
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i have an 04 indy impala ss indy edition and its has what is labeled as series 2 (L67) sc 3.8 but the 04 and 05 years impalas and monte ss that came supercharged actually have the gen 3 block and heads. they just got the gen 3 eaton m90 supercharger that was left over from other cars such as the gp, regals and such. even the series 3 v-6 will have the series 2 casting on the block. when gm gave the gp a new design in 04 which is also when they switched to using the eaton m90 gen 5 sc. basically the chevy's got screwed in getting the leftover gen 3 units from pontiac.
the gen 5 just barely beats a gen 3 car stock vs stock. the stock pcm's have alot of tq abuse protection in them. i have mine modded and have a tuner i use and car just flies. 😀 if i only had slicks then i would have a 1/4 mile time but for now i have dynoed 290 fwhp so far.
been messing with the car for 3 years now but these engines are tough. guys have taken stock block into the 9's and recently a guy broke the 8's with a stock 3800 block. :shock:
i have an 04 indy impala ss indy edition and its has what is labeled as series 2 (L67) sc 3.8 but the 04 and 05 years impalas and monte ss that came supercharged actually have the gen 3 block and heads. they just got the gen 3 eaton m90 supercharger that was left over from other cars such as the gp, regals and such. even the series 3 v-6 will have the series 2 casting on the block. when gm gave the gp a new design in 04 which is also when they switched to using the eaton m90 gen 5 sc. basically the chevy's got screwed in getting the leftover gen 3 units from pontiac.
the gen 5 just barely beats a gen 3 car stock vs stock. the stock pcm's have alot of tq abuse protection in them. i have mine modded and have a tuner i use and car just flies. 😀 if i only had slicks then i would have a 1/4 mile time but for now i have dynoed 290 fwhp so far.
been messing with the car for 3 years now but these engines are tough. guys have taken stock block into the 9's and recently a guy broke the 8's with a stock 3800 block. :shock:
3800
no i think it was turbo tim or scott cook, one of those main guys and who owns the car. car was a late 90's pontiac f body rwd with i think twin turbos. oh yeah it was by intense motorsports. should be on
www.intense-racing.com
opps that was the rwd record. this is the fwd record.
http://www.3800pro.com/forum/quarter-mi ... nd-gp.html
no i think it was turbo tim or scott cook, one of those main guys and who owns the car. car was a late 90's pontiac f body rwd with i think twin turbos. oh yeah it was by intense motorsports. should be on
www.intense-racing.com
opps that was the rwd record. this is the fwd record.
http://www.3800pro.com/forum/quarter-mi ... nd-gp.html
3800 had to go
The 3800 was scheduled to build out at least 6 years ago but kept getting 12-18 month extensions. As a result, they let the tooling go to hell all that time, figuring it only had to run another year at most. During the last 2 years they were cannibalizing duplicate machines to keep others running, cobbling up other machines & fixtures. Stick-welding greasy broken tools together right on the line. On top of that, they had temp workers in there who had replaced retiring people with knowledge & experience. So they were smashing up TENS of Thousands $ in tooling EVERY WEEK for the last 6 months or so. Scrapped engine parts were out of control. Everything was worn out, whopped out, etc. It woulda taken Millions $ to bring it back up to speed. In a way we're sad to see it close. On the other hand, we were fed up with repairing stupid wrecks caused by greenhorn salaried decisions.
The 3800 was scheduled to build out at least 6 years ago but kept getting 12-18 month extensions. As a result, they let the tooling go to hell all that time, figuring it only had to run another year at most. During the last 2 years they were cannibalizing duplicate machines to keep others running, cobbling up other machines & fixtures. Stick-welding greasy broken tools together right on the line. On top of that, they had temp workers in there who had replaced retiring people with knowledge & experience. So they were smashing up TENS of Thousands $ in tooling EVERY WEEK for the last 6 months or so. Scrapped engine parts were out of control. Everything was worn out, whopped out, etc. It woulda taken Millions $ to bring it back up to speed. In a way we're sad to see it close. On the other hand, we were fed up with repairing stupid wrecks caused by greenhorn salaried decisions.
Restored Buick Fireball V6
http://i38.tinypic.com/2zprtdz.jpg
They had a big party at Plant 36 the day after they shut the V6 line down. This was there. But they didn't roll out any of the restored Buick V8's that they have. EVERY Buick V6 and V8 engine ever built came out of this plant
http://i38.tinypic.com/2zprtdz.jpg
They had a big party at Plant 36 the day after they shut the V6 line down. This was there. But they didn't roll out any of the restored Buick V8's that they have. EVERY Buick V6 and V8 engine ever built came out of this plant
Is that an old 215? I love the old Bu 455 easy to build into a excellent strong street motor. Had a 71 GS 455 Stage 1 that I miss.
vern,
that's either a 198 or 225 c.i.d. buick fireball v-6, a predecessor to the 231/3.8l/3800 v-6. the 215 was a v-8.
bill
that's either a 198 or 225 c.i.d. buick fireball v-6, a predecessor to the 231/3.8l/3800 v-6. the 215 was a v-8.
bill
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