Solar Electric Leasing?

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I have been thinking about this for a few weeks now. You see, my local electric company (Florida Power) has just raised it's rates-and not by a small amount. No, they raised them almost 30%-in one year!!!! So, my power bill, in the winter when the A/C is not used much, has gone up almost $40 a month. It was $60 in December, that went up to $95 in January. That is for an unusually cold January too, and I have no heat in my house other than one space heater. Rather than take it lying down, I have been thinking of alternatives to the grid. For me, this is all about the green and I don't mean the environment. As it was, solar was a break even proposition if I bought the equipment last year, with a 25 year wait until it balanced out. However, there is a new twist: companies that lease you the equipment and guarantee your utility rates will not change for as long as you use their service. In exchange, you sign a multi-year contract to lease the equipment. I would not be buying the equipment, and many companies require no deposit on the equipment. Plus, I do not pay for maintenance either, and it would be grid parallel. Grid parallel means it is connected to the grid and feeds into the grid during the day (running the meter backwards) and takes from the grid at night. So, does this sound like a good idea? What am I missing?
 
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I have been thinking about this for a few weeks now. You see, my local electric company (Florida Power) has just raised it's rates-and not by a small amount. No, they raised them almost 30%-in one year!!!! So, my power bill, in the winter when the A/C is not used much, has gone up almost $40 a month. It was $60 in December, that went up to $95 in January. That is for an unusually cold January too, and I have no heat in my house other than one space heater. Rather than take it lying down, I have been thinking of alternatives to the grid. For me, this is all about the green and I don't mean the environment. As it was, solar was a break even proposition if I bought the equipment last year, with a 25 year wait until it balanced out. However, there is a new twist: companies that lease you the equipment and guarantee your utility rates will not change for as long as you use their service. In exchange, you sign a multi-year contract to lease the equipment. I would not be buying the equipment, and many companies require no deposit on the equipment. Plus, I do not pay for maintenance either, and it would be grid parallel. Grid parallel means it is connected to the grid and feeds into the grid during the day (running the meter backwards) and takes from the grid at night. So, does this sound like a good idea? What am I missing?

thats interesting, but you have to think about florida weather during the summer, lotsa rain... (no sun)
what would cost difference be? between leasing that and buying electricity
 
Even still, the panels make power on cloudy days too, and besides, it is sunny most of the day when it rains here near the coast. Plus, they guarantee the rate at what you pay today, so when it goes up in a year or two I will be paying less than anyone on the grid.
 
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i saw this and maybe you can work something out...batteries, and power inverter are more pricier than old alternators and pvc.
 
Without knowing the specifics, I'd bet you would save nothing. If I understand the deal correctly - you have to lease their equipment, on contract for several years. The only thing you get in return is that your currect rate does not go up in that time? If your rates just jumped, chances are they won't go up much, if at all for a while, so you'd basically be throwing money at them for no real benefit of your own.

There are retailers that people can sign up with here locally that basically lock in a rate for electricity/gas etc. The rate you sign up for will typically be more than the current rate, but the gamble is that if the rates do go up, that you could be lower. If you read their fine print, they CAN increase their "locked in" rate on you if the electricity rates get to a certain point (where they lose money). In short, you will always lose - because they have to make money to stay in business. it's a legal scam, permitted by the government in order to make the people happy that whine about utilities having a monopoly. These retailers often pretend they work for the utility and prey on the elderly getting them to sign contracts where they will save money. We get calls all the time (ya, the government still makes the bills go through the local utility) right after these people sign up wondering why their bill is now double what it was last month.

Back on solar, I realize you are leasing, but payback on these systems is usually at LEAST 25yrs, and the equipment will NEVER last that long without expensive maintenance that kills any savings you may have had. Click here for a quick calculation I posted before regarding this. I understand you don't pay for the system or maintenance, but read the fine print - I would be willing to bet if the rates increase past a specific threshold, that they CAN raise the rates on you even thought they advertise it as a lock in rate. They won't lose money.... and typically means that in turn... you can't make/save money.

A few people have installed photovoltaic systems with the local utility I work at, and while some realize this, others have unrealistic expectations. Those that are simply doing it to help the environment (and have more money than brains) are the only ones who seem to have a realistic expectation of what to expect. Unfortunately some think they will be making piles of money while they send back to the grid, but it's unrealistic. Most of these systems are very small, and to feed back into the grid, the system must be feeding your entire house (or at least what it's wired into) and have excess power on top of that. In most cases, feeding back into the grid will never happen.

Do you have details of what the least will cost you per month? How long do you have to sign up for?
 
They provide all the maintenance, and the lease term varies from 5-25 years depending on what plan you choose. Like I said, I have to do LOTS more research before I do anything, but I am afraid I will not be able to afford electricity by this summer. I already don't have cable TV, internet service (thank God for hot spots and friends and family with wireless LAN's!) or a home phone. There isn't much more I can cut out. My income was off about 30-40% last month and I am hoping it picks back up soon or I am in deep sh*t.
 
I understand your frustration... but as you mentioned, just be super careful and read the fine print and calculate things out to see if it's even possible/realistic to save money. How often have the rates gone up? Companies like this are usually full of fast talking salesmen with false promises, so don't believe everything they tell you either.

Keep in mind that getting this system won't even cut what your bill will be this summer will it? They just freeze the current (now 30% higher) rate, correct? If so, you will actually be spending more money (due to lease costs) than if you just forget about it. Even long term, if the rates do hypothetically go higher, will the additional costs cover what you'll be spending (and spent over X amount of months/years) on the lease? Not likely. In the long run, they will always make money....

Like I say - these guys are in the business of making money, so you aren't going to save any. They sound like they are basically the same as the retailers up here, but they hide behind the solar installation. They hope the rates go up a touch which will keep their customers happy because they would then be paying a little lower than their neighbor... all while forgetting that they are spending more than those savings on the monthly lease costs.
 
Well, I am going to see how the rate is calculated. If it goes off the average of the last year, it would make sense. There are several companies in this business, so I will research all of them before making a snap judgment. Plus, the normal utility today announced they may go for a rate cut, so depending on what happens there it may not make sense to do it. I would do it as a 5 year contract if I did because I am not sure I wish to live in this area much longer.
 
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I think its a lot of bull,a lot of companies are going to get rich off people who are not wise to this . here in Maine a lot of wind power generators are going up ,but a lot of towns are putting a moriatorium an building anymore .guess the power grids wont handle the fluctuating of the input from the wind turbines ,so someone is going to be shafted down the line or should i say the grid.

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