Why I keep my BBC

[TexasT]

With the rules and regs the government imposes, I think that the vehicles produced as well as the rest of things produced in this country are impacted. The requirements of safety, fuel economy and pollution controls impacts the products being produced. Why do you think the manufacturing has become uncompetitive with overseas competition.

It is not logical to believe that the reason why GM is not competitive in the current market because of regulations if all cars imported have to abide by the same rules and regulations if there cars are to be sold in the US. By that standard alone the two auto makers are on equal footing in the terms of cost to abide by regulation.

If you think it is just the wages I would disagree. This might have some part but importing these products cost quite a bit, too. Our own regulations is partly to blame. If the costs to comply weren't so high producers might never had even thought about seeking cheaper alternatives.

I don’t think its your wage at all… no one (will almost no one) buys a new car just cuz. Keeping a working investment is a good thing, but again our regulations are applied to the vehicles that are imported as well. There is a cost to adapt regardless of what industry your are in, companies that survive know that this funding is necessary and apply this funding and able to adapt move forward. This was not the case with GM, GM ignored the 1970 fuel scares, ignored that they where losing market share to cars with better MPG, ignored the overall need to adapt and produce something to get ahead of the curve instead of on the tail end of it.

GM will never be the producer of vehicles it once was. They have lost their edge. They ran themselves into the ground and now the government has taken over. The only thing they ever ran well was the Panama Canal and they gave that away.

Maybe, maybe not, I can say that there old ways hurt them bad and with out a new plan and new productions that they wont last even with government backing

I don't believe that where this generation of imports or the next gen of chinese cars follow the same epa standards at the factories over seas. This is one of the reasons why manufacturing has moved from this country. The lower wage of the work force overseas also makes for a pretty inviting place to manufacture goods. have you not seen the news of the kids toys, dog food and other hazardous products imported from china?

I'm not talking of my wage. I could buy new. I chose not to. I like rwd. I like power. I need a roomy vehicle the seats six. No rwd. No power(I like the G8 but I have never bought a 4 door car and don't plan to). I want another car like my T or my GS. Until it is produced, I'll continue to purchase trucks.

GM doesn't produce what I want so I don't spend my money there. Sure seem as you are saying the same thing.

 

[CaStylin]

I don't believe that where this generation of imports or the next gen of chinese cars follow the same epa standards at the factories over seas. This is one of the reasons why manufacturing has moved from this country. The lower wage of the work force overseas also makes for a pretty inviting place to manufacture goods. have you not seen the news of the kids toys, dog food and other hazardous products imported from china?

pollution and wage of out of the US or overseas does help keep production cost down but GM does the same... Even overseas companys (including car companies) import unfinished to be assembled in the US to cut down on import taxes. The issue is that imports currently produce cars not only are at a better price (because of wages paid) but cars that cars that produce better MPG which is very marketable in the current times. GM can not do anything about the price becuase of its US employment wages but i being an american legacy it still has the brand name to conpensate for much of the price difference if it can make a car that is simular or better then its current compention.. I have 3 chevys (listed below), i dont think i will be buying anything that isnt a chevy anytime soon becuase of loyolity to the brand, but i do understand tht sooner or later if they cant compete on MPG and power then they will loss my bussiness as well

I'm not talking of my wage. I could buy new. I chose not to. I like rwd. I like power. I need a roomy vehicle the seats six. No rwd. No power(I like the G8 but I have never bought a 4 door car and don't plan to). I want another car like my T or my GS. Until it is produced, I'll continue to purchase trucks.

GM doesn't produce what I want so I don't spend my money there. Sure seem as you are saying the same thing.

Your right, GM doenst have the product line that meets te need of the MPG junkies or the Power junkies... You cant play middle ground in a compettive indestry.

 

[85 Cutlass Brougham]

Just because I have lived under a law most of my life does not mean I agree with it. After all, people lived under slavery all of their lives so why weren't they happy to remain under it? That is a poor argument which does not allow for correct thinking people such as myself to overthrow these tyrants who are enslaving us and stealing our liberty. I will not rest until evil men like Obama no longer hold the reigns of power. I will work in whatever political capacity is before me to see that his Presidency fails and that his policies get overthrown. Hopefully, he does not win re-election and the midterm elections will effectively neuter him.

 

[CaStylin]

Just because I have lived under a law most of my life does not mean I agree with it. After all, people lived under slavery all of their lives so why weren't they happy to remain under it? That is a poor argument which does not allow for correct thinking people such as myself to overthrow these tyrants who are enslaving us and stealing our liberty. I will not rest until evil men like Obama no longer hold the reigns of power. I will work in whatever political capacity is before me to see that his Presidency fails and that his policies get overthrown. Hopefully, he does not win re-election and the midterm elections will effectively neuter him.

If Obama is enslaving us with CAFE standerds that means bush and every other president in the last 40 years has as well... you continue to act as any of this is "new" Obama says change but he has done nothing that a recent past present has not done. bush made a bigger change to CAFE rules then Obama

 

[85 Cutlass Brougham]

I will not disagree that CAFE predates Obama by 30 years. However, he is the first President to significantly alter the standards since the 1980's as Regan more or less froze them around 1985 or so. Bush refused to increase them for most of his term, but there was a de facto increase due to the change in the government test structure around 2008. I personally want to see a roll back to the standards of 1979. I also want to see abolition of the EPA in it's entirety and the totality of environmental law to be handled exclusively by the states. That way, I can live in one of the better states with no form of inspection with no fear that the Federal government will step in and make me have my vehicles inspected. In fact, I moved to the house I own in 1996 in order to go one county north of where emissions testing was required.

I have also said that I want more variety and less safety regulation on automobiles sold in the US. I am not opposed to SUV's, but do not want one either. I would prefer a Japanese Keijidosha class micro car instead. They are limited in how big they can be (smaller than the original Mini), and can have no bigger than a 660cc engine. That is what I would drive every day given the choice, but seeing as the last car of that class was sold in the US in around 1973 (Honda N600), it is not really possible for me to do so. If there were no crash regulations, I could easily be driving one. I would also have a choice of Chinese cars to choose from too, as most of them are considered "unsafe" for US roads.

 

[CaStylin]

I will not disagree that CAFE predates Obama by 30 years. However, he is the first President to significantly alter the standards since the 1980's as Regan more or less froze them around 1985 or so. Bush refused to increase them for most of his term, but there was a de facto increase due to the change in the government test structure around 2008.

"In late 2007, CAFE standards received their first overhaul in more than 30 years. On December 19, President Bush signed into law the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, which requires in part that automakers boost fleetwide gas mileage to 35 mpg by the year 2020.' And the 2008 change in testing decreased the average MPG of most cars so see who this can be considered a de facto increase. He signed in this law meaning Bush was the first to make a major CAFE standards, Obama was just lowered the time limit in which it needed to be obtained by

I personally want to see a roll back to the standards of 1979.

Rolling back the CAFÉ to 1979 standards isn’t going to help the US auto makers, the environment or pretty much anybody. The consumer has all ready decided that when they buy new modes of transportation they want them to have much better MPG then the cars of the early 80’s, other then a lack of regulation that my make some people all happy inside, it has almost no realistic useable benefit

I also want to see abolition of the EPA in it's entirety and the totality of environmental law to be handled exclusively by the states. That way, I can live in one of the better states with no form of inspection with no fear that the Federal government will step in and make me have my vehicles inspected. In fact, I moved to the house I own in 1996 in order to go one county north of where emissions testing was required.

the issue with that is that emissions don’t see state lines; emissions from production in one state can easily effect the environment in neighboring states

I have also said that I want more variety and less safety regulation on automobiles sold in the US. I am not opposed to SUV's, but do not want one either. I would prefer a Japanese Keijidosha class micro car instead. They are limited in how big they can be (smaller than the original Mini), and can have no bigger than a 660cc engine. That is what I would drive every day given the choice, but seeing as the last car of that class was sold in the US in around 1973 (Honda N600), it is not really possible for me to do so. If there were no crash regulations, I could easily be driving one. I would also have a choice of Chinese cars to choose from too, as most of them are considered "unsafe" for US roads.

US per car death rate goes down every year because of these safety regulations, comparing us to china or similar nations that have little to know regulations we live and suffer much less injury in accidents. I don’t know about you but I have been T-boned by a truck when driving a cobalt… if the cobalt wasn’t as safe as it was or built to the overseas standard I would be dead right now… instead I almost walked away uninjured