Bad Vibration Under Acceleration At Any Speed

Bullett801

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Hello Gents and Fellow Gearheads,

Hope everyone is doing well. I wanted your thought and suggestions on a really bad vibration that has started in my 78 Monte. Just a quick history, I have a 406 sbc,. with a TCI Super Streetfighter TH350 behind it. And at the rear, I have a GM 7.5 10 bolt. (the original) I built this as much as I could, and so far, it has done great. I have Moser 31 spline axles, an Auburn Posi from a Camero, and GM 3:73 rears installed. Brand new bearings and races in a full rebuild kit I got from RATECH. I have been restoring the car by doing a full frame off restoration in my garage. Besides the engine and trans, I have done everything myself, so it has taken me a good chunk of time to complete it. But I finally got it up and running at the beginning of this summer. But...... I only had the original driveshaft. It fit perfectly, as it should because I went with pretty much a stock set up. So, we have been testing and tuning it throughout the summer, and finally got some miles on it and got it dialed in. And then it happened....... I had to let her eat, and man was it going well. Until I let my foot off the gas and the driveshaft ripped in half due to the velocity and power. I would like to say it was a successful failure it the fact that no MAJOR cosmetic damage was done, and no one got injured. Just a hell of a lot of noise, a slightly damaged output shaft seal, a badly dented and concaved floor pan, some new exhaust pipe (Thank God I was able to find and reuse the brand-new Violator Pypes Mufflers) and it nicked the inside of the pass rear rim. Got it home and up in the air for assessment. I went and pulled out the old credit card, bit the bullet, and had a new custom driveshaft built with Spicer u-joints, and Spicer straps as well. Got it all together, and the new shaft was too long. So, I remeasured, and did some more research, and had the drivetrain shop take some length off it and rebalance it, so it is measuring at 52 1/2". It fits perfect, except it had a LOT of play kat the end of the transmission and was leaking fluid pretty badly. So removed the tail shaft housing and replace the bushing and seal. When I got it re installed it sas nice and snug and went in without any problems. started her up, topped off the fluids and off went. Right away I noticed the vibration, only under acceleration, anything over I would say, 40% throttle and up. Faster you got worse it gets. When I put it in neutral, nothing. Smooth. Let off the gas, smooth. Light acceleration, pretty smooth. But when you get to around 50-55mph, it is bad! I tore it down again, and I don't see any dents, scrapes, any anything that indicates an impact resulting in any damage. I am guessing it is internally bent. Now, I do get this strange, growly grinding feeling and noise when I turn the rear pinion flange yolk. Si I am guessing that maybe the pinion bearing, or something in the rear end is the culprit. I mean, I really don't see how the output shaft of the transmission got bent, but looking at the rear diff yolk, it was really flying around back there and may have twisted that pinion shaft or maybe tweaked the bearing. That's what I am thinking anyways. Is that a likely scenario fellas? I know it kind hard to speculate without seeing and feeling the noise or vibration, but I think it is a good place to start, ya think? Any input is appreciated like always guys. I sure do appreciate your time and look forward to hearing what you guys' opinions and recommendations are. Take care and please feel free to lmk what you think the correct course of action should be.

P.S. I attached some pics of the car just to let you guys take a look at it as well.

Bullett801
 

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your car looks good eye catching red sorry about your mishap I;m glade no one got hurt it does sound like the rear that would be my first guess. but first balance all the wheels might have knocked off a weight or bent rim
 
your car looks good eye catching red sorry about your mishap I;m glade no one got hurt it does sound like the rear that would be my first guess. but first balance all the wheels might have knocked off a weight or bent rim
I appreciate the compliment on the color. Thank you! I feel like the vibration would be constant if that were the case. Don’t you think?
 
Okay guys, so just an update. I found that the information from my GM Service manual told me to torque the joint strap bolts to 70 for lbs. Now that sounded pretty high to me, but who am I to disagree with GM. Well, after breaking off the first bolt I tried to tighten to that spec., I decided to not do that again. So, I got the broken bolt out, and got new ones. Talked to the driveline shop and did some reading, only to find out that 17-20 ft lbs is the spec. and to rotate the driveshaft 180 degrees. So after that. The vibration is much better. Although it’s still present under hard acceleration, it’s better. And drive able too. I’m going to keep investigating it though. I have to change the fluid in the rear end, so the rear tend will be inspected throughly and completely cleaned before reassembly. I am installing a 9in from Quick Performance this winter I hope anyways. So if I do find anything I will update and go from there. But still comment with idea if tall happen to have any. Thank guys!
 
So….. still chasing this vibration under acceleration. I have torn the cover off the diff, REALLY inspected the guys. Looks wonderful. Not even and metal flakes in the fluid! Changed it anyways. Put a dial
Indicator on the output flange and spin the wheels….. dial indicator didn’t move a mm. Smooth. Rear end ia Good!! I have verified that. Seen that the pass rear rim for a good hit when the driveshaft exploded. Prob weekend a little bit. Changed the caps on the rear joints. Also reveries the pinion angle. Well within spec. WHAT THE ****!??? ANY IDEAS GUYA? Besides the trans, ( which is a TCI Superstreetfighter TH350, no visible case damage or impact. What else can it be fellas! All ideas welcome!! Thanks a ton like always guys!
 
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So….. still chasing this vibration under acceleration. I have torn the cover off the diff, REALLY inspected the guys. Looks wonderful. Not even and metal flakes in the fluid! Changed it anyways. Put a dial
Indicator on the output flange and spin the wheels….. dial indicator didn’t move a mm. Smooth. Rear end ia Good!! I have verified that. Seen that the pass rear rim for a good hit when the driveshaft exploded. Prob weekend a little bit. Changed the caps on the rear joints. Also reveries the pinion angle. Well within spec. WHAT THE ****!??? ANY IDEAS GUYA? Besides the trans, ( which is a TCI Superstreetfighter TH350, no visible case damage or impact. What else can it be fellas! All ideas welcome!! Thanks a ton like always guys!
I had a torquey small block in a previous El Camino that had a similar driveshaft mishap. In my case, the damages included the differential as well as the bellhousing (cracked ear to ear).

You checked the rear end. You might want to check your bellhousing where it bolts to the block to rule it out as well.
 
Isolate the vibration to determine what it is.

Same in neutral or a lower gear?
What speed is it at the worst? Duplicate that on jack stands. This will take tire runout or front wheels out of the equation.
Try it with no rear wheels but either remove drums or snug the lugs back on to hold them. Do not touch the brakes. Kill engine and wait for axles to stop before engaging park.
 
so in neutral it's fine and nothing upon deceleration. If it was in the diff it would be there would be vibration regardless of what the trans is doing be it N or a forward gear..
 
Still could be the differential or rear axle housing. If your suspension is good. Like no change in pinion angle from modest acceleration to coast. Most likley not the suspension.
It does tell it's not the driveshaft or wheels since they are still spinning at the same speed.

At this point, I'd concentrate on rear suspension. What is your pinion angle at rest vs under load?
 
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At this point, I'd concentrate on rear suspension. What is your pinion angle at rest vs under load?
Been thinking the same, but a few other places to check as well...

Added some links for research later. It seems like you checked most culprits so you need to take step back and think what items are effected while under load... Acceleration.

Also inspect, Motor mount and trans mount, as well as any ç cross member bolts.

As far as the differential, vibration is being created when pinion is on and applying load to the drive side of the ring gear, ... Whorl and Whine could be pinion bearings, but those checked good.... Could still be side or spider gears, or axle bearings??

With axle on stands and rims/tires removed, could help diagnose differential noises (maybe)...

You mentioned TH350 output shaft is bent? This can cause it, if actually bent. How does yoke look? How floppy is the (axial and lateral runout) of the yoke when installed in the TH350 output extension housing? New bearing replaced already, but how does it look? Still nice bronze or is it getting wiped out and showing the under layment?

Check bell housing, flex plate ... Any issues noted? Some of these items already mentioned. If things get ruled down to the trans, maybe look at upgrade to TH400. Some where something is loose or out of balance under load.


 

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