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What is the height of the spindle?
 

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What is the height of the spindle?
I contacted CPP a few days ago and asked why they didn't make them taller like the ones they made for A, F, and X bodies. They said G bodies don't need taller spindles. Not sure where they got that idea
 
7-9/16” from the bottom of the lower ball joint pad to the top of the upper ball joint pad. It’s within a 1/32 of my stock G body spindles
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It looked like a stock height spindle but sometimes screen images are skewed so thanks for the clarification.

The g-bodys need the tall spindle just like the early AFX platforms. One would think a spindle manufacturer would know the differences between the models but perhaps some of those employees answering questions don't know their own products well.
 
Currently I’m doing some bench racing for future upgrades on my Monte and one thing that’s been stuck in my head is a spindle upgrade.
I’ve been looking at SSM’s “Game Changer” kit, and while it’s the most cost effective out of the box for the gains SSM claims, it comes with a caveat that kinda breaks the deal for me: The spindle SSM offers has clearance issues with the brake kit I’ve been eyeing. Big Brake Upgrade offers sever adapter brackets that can be use to convert A, F, G, X and S10 spindles to the huge 14” rotor and 4 piston Brembo combo that came on the 2010-2015 Camaro SS. BBU’s brackets interfere with the spindle due to the required spacing of the caliper and rotor, and to my understanding there’s no way around this.

So I’m looking for suggestions on what spindles could be swapped into a G with relatively little fuss (or a lot if the benefits are there) without asking for a kidney in return like the AFX spindles from ATS.


I’ll also add that the whole point of this is to use as much stock replacement components as possible so breakage/failures aren’t as much of a hindrance as they would be with an aftermarket setup, like from Wilwood for example. This is why I was interested in BBU’s conversion brackets.
A fact that's not mentioned much/enough about the AFX spindle (former ATS spindle) is the bearing pack set-up is proprietary because of the machining/packaging on the spindle. The bearing packs are high-end replacement parts, but they don't just bolt-on like common OE spindles. Apparently, they are tweaked & utilize a jig to set them up properly for the warranty purpose. That turned me off on them after clearing the purchase price hurdle. I learned this info after purchasing a pair but because of the delay/s in fulfilling my order I cancelled before they shipped (~8 months?).
 
It looked like a stock height spindle but sometimes screen images are skewed so thanks for the clarification.

The g-bodys need the tall spindle just like the early AFX platforms. One would think a spindle manufacturer would know the differences between the models but perhaps some of those employees answering questions don't know their own products well.
Not knowing their own products is the reason I bought these spindles in the first place- Brake/Bearing fitment is all over the place. CPP’s website lists C5/6/7 brakes will fit under the product image, then in the description states that only C5/6 stuff will work. But you read Summit’s description and it states ‘97-‘14! 2013 is C7 😂

I think we’re reaching a peak where no one knows why or how they’re doing the things their company or they themselves are doing when it comes to older cars, they’re just copying the people who came before them.
A fact that's not mentioned much/enough about the AFX spindle (former ATS spindle) is the bearing pack set-up is proprietary because of the machining/packaging on the spindle. The bearing packs are high-end replacement parts, but they don't just bolt-on like common OE spindles. Apparently, they are tweaked & utilize a jig to set them up properly for the warranty purpose. That turned me off on them after clearing the purchase price hurdle. I learned this info after purchasing a pair but because of the delay/s in fulfilling my order I cancelled before they shipped (~8 months?).
Yikes, that’s another reason to avoid those besides the price. For $1600+, you’d think the company would trust the end user to be able to maintain them.
 
Not knowing their own products is the reason I bought these spindles in the first place- Brake/Bearing fitment is all over the place. CPP’s website lists C5/6/7 brakes will fit under the product image, then in the description states that only C5/6 stuff will work. But you read Summit’s description and it states ‘97-‘14! 2013 is C7 😂

I think we’re reaching a peak where no one knows why or how they’re doing the things their company or they themselves are doing when it comes to older cars, they’re just copying the people who came before them.

Yikes, that’s another reason to avoid those besides the price. For $1600+, you’d think the company would trust the end user to be able to maintain them.
My assumption was the hub servicing was standard R&R like other bolt on sealed hubs (3-bolts anchored into the upright). From what I researched & learned, their lower anchor point is different. I'm guessing it's related to the lower BJ retention hardware occupying the same playground space so the spindle is machined accordingly @ that position & the hardware is different vs a standard app's hub.

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8.0 MAINTENANCE Back to Table of Contents
All aluminum has an endurance limit. Therefore, it is recommended to replace spindles every15 years or 225,000 miles as a precautionary measure. Xxxxxxxxx uses special jigs to install Corvette hubs into our spindles. Should your hubs ever need servicing, it is recommended you ship the spindles to us so that we can use the same process we used to originally build them. Servicing them other than through Xxxxxxxxx Xxxxxxxxxxx will waive any implied or expressed liability for the hub and/or spindle.


Like mentioned, I paid & waited almost 9 months for mine w/a quoted 6-8wk lead time. After the initial 8wks, each time I inquired about the order status it was a different story (or the same story again x-weeks later) which gave me additional time to research things & reconsider. Once I came across the maint service aspect & the 'warranty' mention, that was where my mindset changed. Maybe others have the bank accounts that allow them to purchase 2x sets (one for the vehicle; a second set to send off/sit on the shelf for swapping); I don't. Nor do I want my vehicle down for potentially weeks/months @ a time to have warranty coverage. *It's possible the average joe can do the work just fine & for-go any warranty. I simply opted to go a different direction & canceled my order since I was still waiting. I was still out the $400 for the steering arms but I had ideas to test/validate & figured I could move them @ a discounted $$ if needed. Sometimes you 'gotta spend a little money to learn things.
 
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I just don't get it. The CPPs are really close to being a perfect product. If they had just done a tad more R&D and made them taller and maybe moved the tie rod to correct bump steer, it would haven been an infinitely better product without costing much more than they do
 
I just don't get it. The CPPs are really close to being a perfect product. If they had just done a tad more R&D and made them taller and maybe moved the tie rod to correct bump steer, it would haven been an infinitely better product without costing much more than they do
True, but that requires R&D. They're more of a copy & paste re-brand establishment.
 
Huston, we have a problem.

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That caliper is way to far outwards.


As much as this upsets me… I can’t say I didn’t see something like this coming. Here’s the deal:

The CCP brake kit takes either “13” or “14” inch rotor combos. I can’t find any pictures, so I can’t compare abutment brackets, but with C5/6 calipers, 14” doesn’t fit. The stocker C5/6 rotors are 12.6” with the exception of the 6-piston Z51 brakes, which used a 14” rotor. How did CPP get a stock level caliper on a top of the line rotor size? Simple- they moved the mounting bosses outward.

So, if you want this spindle specifically, the 12.6” Brembo’s -should- get the caliper to the right spacing for a j55 corvette rotor.

If you want the larger 14” Brembos, you’ll need to drop the extra dime on the larger “15” inch 2-piece steel rotors for the j56 setups. Those run $500-$600 a piece as of writing.

If possible, could this be pinned for a PSA?
 

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