PONTIAC 1980 Dark Blue & Graphite?

[CrammerGram69]

22 GM paint code for 1980 is medium metallic blue. WA7129
So if it was originally light blue, it's definitely not a 1980. Thus, your car was built in December of 1978.

22 GM paint code for 1979 is light blue WA4964

GM made tons of cars with light blue exteriors with dark blue interiors in the late 70s and 80s.

Here's a picture of a code 22 1979 Turbo Century coupe with a dark blue interior. Perhaps Pontiac just used the medium blue interiors?

Car is a 1979. Not 78.

 

[CrammerGram69]

Can you post pictures of your car?

She's still ugly atm lol... interior isn't the correct color, back seat upper ripping, etc.

 

[69hurstolds]

Car is a 1979. Not 78.

Yes, but it was built in December of 1978. You have a 1979 MODEL YEAR. I have a 1984 Hurst/Olds built in November 1983. It's still a 1984. You said it was built in December. If it's a 1979 model, it HAD to be December of 1978. It's the only way possible to fit in that model year. Do you still have the door jamb decals? It would have 12/78 as the build date, guaranteed. Sounds like the body tag had a 12C on it for the 3rd week of December----1978. There's no way in hell your car was built in December of 1979 and still be a 1979 model.

The only way your car could be built in December of 1979 and still be a 1979 model is if GM extended the 79 model year for some reason. But since they made 1980 LeMans cars, I'm betting they didn't. If it were built in December of 1979, it would make it a 1980 model.

For GM, model years NORMALLY would run fall to fall (August through July is the typical model year) with some exceptions. On occasion they would pull some model years forward and extend some past the fall. I know Camaros did that a few times. Built 1969s until November because the 1970 wasn't ready, and then for 2002, they brought the start date of production for Camaro/Firebird up to April of 2001 and the last ones rolled off August 2002. And then when they brought back the Camaro for 2010, they started building them in February 2009. I ordered mine in April 2009 but demand was so great it didn't get built until October 2009. But it's still a 2010 model year.

 

[olds307 and 403]

Yep, good info. My old 81 Delta 88 was built September of 1980. I would have had one of the first Olds 307's made and it was a good one. Being a Canadian car, non CCC with factory plugs where the air lines would normally go in the heads. It also had the normal Air, tilt and Cruise options but a very non padded interior, never saw another Delta 88 with a basic, low padding, non split bench manual seat

 

[CrammerGram69]

Yes, but it was built in December of 1978. You have a 1979 MODEL YEAR. I have a 1984 Hurst/Olds built in November 1983. It's still a 1984. You said it was built in December. If it's a 1979 model, it HAD to be December of 1978. It's the only way possible to fit in that model year. Do you still have the door jamb decals? It would have 12/78 as the build date, guaranteed. Sounds like the body tag had a 12C on it for the 3rd week of December----1978. There's no way in hell your car was built in December of 1979 and still be a 1979 model.

The only way your car could be built in December of 1979 and still be a 1979 model is if GM extended the 79 model year for some reason. But since they made 1980 LeMans cars, I'm betting they didn't. If it were built in December of 1979, it would make it a 1980 model.

For GM, model years NORMALLY would run fall to fall (August through July is the typical model year) with some exceptions. On occasion they would pull some model years forward and extend some past the fall. I know Camaros did that a few times. Built 1969s until November because the 1970 wasn't ready, and then for 2002, they brought the start date of production for Camaro/Firebird up to April of 2001 and the last ones rolled off August 2002. And then when they brought back the Camaro for 2010, they started building them in February 2009. I ordered mine in April 2009 but demand was so great it didn't get built until October 2009. But it's still a 2010 model year.

No decals of any kind. Only Body Tag. The car was Repainted i don't know when. Maybe early-90s. I am told the Grandson of the Grandmother who originally bought the car had gotten it as His First Vehicle & had done some things to it. That was told to me 10+ Yrs ago. I have no contact as of Today. Then it was sold off to whom did all of the other work too it. The Fender emblems are not correct too the car, being "Grand LeMans" Body tag shows AD27 in Pontiac's terms that is a "LeMans" Which would line up with the body of the car having no identifications of grand lemans trim level. I cannot find of any sort of welding in or body putty indication that the holes for the side trim were filled, So too my knowledge & best ability I suspect it is a base lemans as going by the body tag.

As with all of my Other close Le Mans Related contacts, they are almost guaranteeing it was a 79-1980 model. Records will show when my PHS Kit comes into the mail. Ordered as Monday.

 

[69hurstolds]

Could you post a readable pic of said body tag? That could shed some light on wtf is going on with your car. Besides, your VIN should be able to tell you the model year. If the 6th digit is a 9, it's a model year 1979. If it's an "A", it's a 1980. Simple as that. If the second position of the VIN is a "D", it's a LeMans. If it's an "F", it's a Grand LeMans.

Example of a fictitious LeMans VIN, 2D27A92123456 I have no idea where they were built, but, this is how THIS VIN breaks down...

2- Canada built
D- LeMans
27- 2 door Notchback
A- 3.8L V6
9- 1979 Model year
2- Ste. Therese assembly plant, (a 1 would be Oshawa)
123456 - Plant sequence number.


It can't be a 79-80 model. It's either a 79 or an 80.

Again, if your 1979 LeMans body tag is showing 12C as the build month/week, it was built in 1978. Model year kind of has no bearing on the build week.

 

[CrammerGram69]

Could you post a readable pic of said body tag? That could shed some light on wtf is going on with your car. Besides, your VIN should be able to tell you the model year. If the 6th digit is a 9, it's a model year 1979. If it's an "A", it's a 1980. Simple as that. If the second position of the VIN is a "D", it's a LeMans. If it's an "F", it's a Grand LeMans.

Example of a fictitious LeMans VIN, 2D27A92123456 I have no idea where they were built, but, this is how THIS VIN breaks down...

2- Canada built
D- LeMans
27- 2 door Notchback
A- 3.8L V6
9- 1979 Model year
2- Ste. Therese assembly plant, (a 1 would be Oshawa)
123456 - Plant sequence number.


It can't be a 79-80 model. It's either a 79 or an 80.

Again, if your 1979 LeMans body tag is showing 12C as the build month/week, it was built in 1978. Model year kind of has no bearing on the build week.

That's how I feel about it "WTF is going on" Somewhat a nightmare to be honest. haha. If I remember correctly mine was built in Pontiac, MI. A friend of mine has one of those 100 yrs Pontiac Books that shows all of the Production Figures, and Fisher / Pontiac Plants they were built at. I understand what you mean by the 12C Now. Common mix-up i assume.

 

[69hurstolds]

Best I can find for info, your body tag breakdown is as follows:

79 - 1979 model year
12C- 3rd week of December 1978 assembly week
2AD27- body style. (2) Pontiac, (A) A-body (D)- LeMans, (27)- Notchback 2 door coupe
P - build plant, Pontiac, MI
457323 is the FISHER body sequence number. This is married to the car, normally found on a broadcast sheet somewhere. It's how Fisher body kept track of the car order. It's not a VIN per se, but it's a body ID number for Fisher administration and tracking prior to them shipping the body to the finishing plant where the VIN would be assigned later.
24B- interior color code, light blue cloth. Dark blue would be code 26.
22U/22L- upper/lower body color. In this case, it's 22 for both. Glacier blue, aka light blue. WA44964
L- Paint type, Lacquer (W would be water based)
A52- Bench Seats

Any of this sound like your car?

 

[CrammerGram69]

Best I can find for info, your body tag breakdown is as follows:

79 - 1979 model year
12C- 3rd week of December 1978 assembly week
2AD27- body style. (2) Pontiac, (A) A-body (D)- LeMans, (27)- Notchback 2 door coupe
P - build plant, Pontiac, MI
457323 is the FISHER body sequence number. This is married to the car, normally found on a broadcast sheet somewhere. It's how Fisher body kept track of the car order. It's not a VIN per se, but it's a body ID number for Fisher administration and tracking prior to them shipping the body to the finishing plant where the VIN would be assigned later.
24B- interior color code, light blue cloth. Dark blue would be code 26.
22U/22L- upper/lower body color. In this case, it's 22 for both. Glacier blue, aka light blue. WA44964
L- Paint type, Lacquer (W would be water based)
A52- Bench Seats

Any of this sound like your car?

Right on! It would make sense to be light blue being built Dec of '78. I still ordered the PHS Info kit. Just to have it & Such lol.
Where do you think that the Broadcast sheet is?