1st time for body work!

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I bought my truck new in white for this very reason. Even after it had a few small dents in it, most people never saw them. I did a less than perfect quickie respray on it a few years back and it looks really good until I point out where it is not perfect. The secret is blocking things level, and not leaving stuff lumpy, or full of 80 grit sand scratches.

Basic sanding of filler and good, solid (not checked) paint goes like this:
36 grit and/or Surform File to get basic shape in filler
80 grit to refine the filler or do primary shaping if it is not a bad application
220 grit to finish filler or old paint for primer/surfacer
220 grit to block 1st application of primer/surfacer
400 grit to block 2nd application of primer/surfacer or to prep solid paint for new paint. A red Scotchbrite may also be used here, and I tend to use it as a final once over before I apply the final paint.

After paint, and you want to cut and buff, goes something like this:

800 grit to start to remove runs ( on a 3in long piece of paint mixing stick)
1000 grit to finish runs/ start cutting orange peel/dirt
1500-2000 grit final sand before buffing.

Tools I used to do my car: 7 piece hammer and dolly set, Air File, MIG Welder, 4.5 in angle grinder, rt angle die grinder with whiz wheel attachment, straight die grinder with stones and wire wheels, cordless Dremel, scissors, tinner's snips, 3in cutoff tool, blow gun, 18in Dura-Block with 220 grit paper ( bought in a roll), soft sanding block, paint mixing stick wrapped in wet or dry sand paper, Jitterbug sander ( I don't like DA's), small steel bristle hand brushes, chip brushes, Bondo Spreaders, 100 pack of discount razor blades, touch up gun ( 3 of them, but they're less than $10 ea.), top coat gun, and a 1 in putty knife ( for stripping paint and sealant). Some of this stuff is borrowed, some bought new at Harbor Freight tools, Wal Mart, Tool Tent sales, etc.

If you follow my build thread or my Myspace pics, I will be trying to write and document a tutorial on proper block sanding techniques for the beginner. Much of getting it right is based on feel though, as it is as much art and sculpture as it is science. Knowing how a car's metal is supposed to look when it is stamped is the key to making corners and edges look like nothing has ever been touched.

Oh, and if you didn't know, I am not, nor have I ever been a professional in any automotive field. I am a hobbyist and I deliver pizza for a living ( but am going to college for an engineering degree as well). So, what I share is not meant to be taken as gospel. Take it for what it's worth, which is the internet ramblings of another human being. Most of what I say works well for me, but I can't teach the details online, and omit quite a lot. I say this because I don't want to be blamed if you mess something up.
 
I will add one more thing here: Don't get rid of the moldings just yet. One of the benefits of large pieces of trim is that they can be used to hide flaws. If you can't do a great job behind there, you can put the moldings back on and no one will be able to tell. Also, they sell for good money if they are in decent shape as some people ( me included) want to retain or add them.
 
thanks again, and like you said, im following your directions step by step, i'm just gathering info as of now, and i still have a ton to learn.

also, like you said, i probably will be keeping the mouldings because of my lack of experience, as i might end up putting them back on. 🙂
 
I will also add this about color: don't use loud or bright colors like Yellow, Orange, or bright Red on a G body. It simply looks wrong because these cars have more formal lines to them, like an older Cadillac. More adult colors tend to look best. It's not that I am against bright paint on some cars, but you have to consider the kind of impression a car's lines give, and work within those parameters in order to make a cohesive style statement. I would also limit myself to non-metallic paint on a first time job as any minor imperfection like a sanding scratch will draw the metallic particles, and make the particles align in straight lines, rather than lie down more randomly and uniformly.
 
yeah i'm totally against the bright colors on a g-body. i saw a bright orange and blue cutlass with huge wheels. it was the stupidest thing i have ever seen. not that G-bodys are stupid, it was just the paint like you said.

i pretty much have it narrowed down to either the factory off-white color, or how it is now, metallic brown. i won't be doing the finishing work, i will just be prepping, so hopefully it will turn out good!
 
I remember seeing a Regal in a magazine that was bright yellow with pink scallops! The Horror! :shock:

I also think the jacked up on 20's look is just plain stupid. The Emperor has no clothes! It is just silly looking! If you can't tuck your wheels, get ones that you can tuck. Or, modify the car so that it sits right and tucks the 20's. Lift kits are for 4 wheel drives, not cars. Also, while I am acting like the style police, if you still have your car jacked up with air shocks to fit wide 60's sticking out past the fenders, you can let the air out of them now. The 70's have passed, no one thinks you're cool anymore.

Anyhow, now that I have gotten that out of my system, I will give my opinion on color. I would do white with black rockers. The black rockers are for cars with the wide moldings to prevent them from looking like they are swimming in a sea of color. Plus, that is how GM did it. White does not have to be boring though. Doing the right accents in black to contrast the while is a very nice look. Dark tinted windows, painting out the grilles and headlight bezels like the Cutlass Salon/442 car had ( black with chrome highlights), and a good choice of wheels and tires will make a nice looking car. I like the look of wheels with black centers and a polished lip with a white car as it keeps with the minimalist feel of white paint, but still stands out. Just be sure to get big enough wheels, 15-17 in diameter with at least 7 in of width would probably be the best. I would also think about ditching the vinyl top and installing the standard back window trim. I wrote out how somewhere on here, but the method for removing the quarter windows is on my Myspace site. You will need the quarter windows from a non landau top car to pull it off right, as well as the trim pieces and clips for the back window moldings. I would also ditch the Cutlass Supreme script, ding strips, and rocket emblems from the sides and trunk lid of the car. They are just glued on, so removing them leaves no holes to fill. Keep the Olds script on the bumper cover as eliminating it is hard to do right. Ditto the hood ornament. Keep that too. I would also think about a different set of grilles, either from an 83, 85, or 86 year car as they have a nicer look to them ( to me at least). Yes, this is a bit of a clone of how my car is done with the exception of color, but I do think it looks good like that.
 
i totally agree with all of your suggestions!! 😀 you shouldn't need a ladder to climb into any two door car, or any car for that matter!

i already got rid of the ding strips, and all the emblems except for the one on the front, like you said. i also blacked out the inside of the headlight bezels, like how a hurst looks, but i am in the market for a nicer set of grilles. mine are the small square pattern and the only raised part is the outside edge.

quick question, on the grilles, the chrome is peeling off in the middle, so i can't leave the vertical chrome lines, do you think it would look good with all semi-gloss in the middele and the outer edge chrome like the headlight bezels? i am still debating on whether to get a new set or try to save the old, no luck at the junkyard.

but do you think it would be worth it to remove the vinyl? i'm scared of finding rust. i know that the j-yard has all the parts, but do you have to fill any holes, or are those stud things the only problem? but that would let me pull off the white and black that you suggested. you do think i could do black and white with the brown interior? i will probably keep the olds rallies, due to a lack of funds, and the interior color wont be changing any time soon. i will bead blast the rallies and repaint them. i am just unsure about the vinyl though. i have read the topic about it, and it seems like a lot of work. like i said earlier, i won't be painting until hopefully by the end of the summer, so i'm kind of on a budget, and can't do much body work. my boss hasn't scheduled me for the past two weeks so i don't have that much $ lately, he has anger issues :lol:

this is a very unorganized post :lol:

so you think no emblems, blacked out bezels and grilles, white with black rockers, and no vinyl? i was thinking white rally wheels?? black pin stripe??
that would look funky though, i think, with the brown interior (black & brown= good???, bad???) . would brown rockers be ok looking? it would hide the mud :lol:

there are tons of thoughts flying through my mind right now, so that is why this is so unorganized. let me know what you think!!
 
Well, the hardest part will be that you would need to remove the caulk from the quarter to roof seams, and replace it with All Metal. It's a filler that is so hard, you don't just sand it-you machine it! That being said, an air file is the only way to work with it in order to rough it into shape, and you will need 36 grit paper for the job. Subsequent layers of filler, once the seams are sealed with the All Metal, can be done with standard Bondo. You will need to have the right windows with you when you are doing this, and have them stripped of all the nasty sealant. This is because you will need to test fit them to be sure the window seals cover the seams right, and that there is no void around the edge. I wound up having to add more filler to my car after doing this test fit, but it's better to find it now than later. The hardest part will be filling the seam by the back window, followed closely by adding small stainless screws to mount the rear window trim clips. I did all this with my back window removed to gain greater access. My back window was coming unglued anyways, so it needed to come out ( The 6x9's made it rattle against the body). There is a plastic piece that gives the top it's shape by the back window which is held in by pop rivets which will also need to come out. Now to fill those holes, I will make an odd suggestion: JB Quick epoxy. you will want to run a drill inside the holes to remove the paint, and use a small grinding stone to bevel the edges in order to give it enough surface area to adhere properly. It can be sanded like filler, and seems to take paint well. The proper way is to weld up the holes, but it can cause rust if the welds are not treated from behind since the heat will burn off the paint from the back side.
 
Only tips i can give are get the longest sanding blocks you can find watch any curved or raised parts of the body.And the better the prep you know getting everything flat and smooth the better the paint will look.If your anal like me i use a metal ruler thats flexable over every body panel gap and build those up so your eye will never catch a low spot from panel to panel.
 
i'm still not sure though. i might save myself a lot of troble and frustration by with just keeping the vinyl and going all off white, or maybe add pearl or metallic to it? i saw a cutlass on ebay with brown vinyl and it was off white, that is why i am leaning twoards white as a color.
 
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