350/th350 going into 82 Cutlass supreme w/ 260

[gs dewd]

I got my '69 Olds 455 high nickel block, crank, rods, balancer, flexplate, P/S pump with brackets, pulleys, and 'C' heads for $200.
sh*t, the heads alone are worth that.

It was an abandoned project at the machine shop where my buddy that built my motor worked.

Just gotta shop around... Every once in a while, something good will fall in your lap.

Tell me about it I looked for 3 or 4 months straight for a olds motor but couldn't find any anywhere close to me. They crush all older cars in my area. If it's more then 10 yrs old its gone. For some reason thought they keep 350 chev motors and you can find them all day long for cheap here.

 

[jrm81bu]

[quote="gs dewdI would not put a chev motor in a like a 442.[/quote]

I would! Just based on the fact that GM didn't equip it with anything that I deem as a performance engine.

That said I have no problems with olds motors. It's just not MY engine of choice. And I'm not gonna b*tch if someone puts a bop motor in a chevy. I would be fine with that. Same deal with caddy motors.
But it seems like every time some one puts a chevy motor in a an olds car lately, everyone gets there panties twisted. I just don't see why.

Even olds guys have to admit that in stock form ALL the engines that came in g-body cars sucked for performance(with the obvious exception of the GN).

I wonder would you Olds guys get pissed about a 3.8 turbo buick getting dropped in an olds.

FYI- This post is not directed at any person in particular.

And to the OP, I'm sorry your thread got so hi-jacked.

 

[DrRansom442]

I was talking about fuel injection as you should have gotten from my explination of fuel trims and the computer not being calibrated for it. You can not use a computer calibrated for a 307 on a 350 as it would run lean. Sorry I didn't explain myself fully. The computer would need to be reprogramed for the bigger displacment and larger injectors. I never said replacing a 260 with a olds 350 would be a "stock" replacment. Replacing it with another 260 would be. Hey maybe you can build an olds motor for cheap. And maybe you can find the parts used in your area. Not everyone is in your situation. I wouldn't even no where to begin to even find a good 350 olds to build in my area. I did look and was going to go that route but it would have cost well over my budget to build one. Where as 350 chev motors are just about everywhere. And very cheap. Like I said I found mine for 200 and it is complete with all accesories even a a/c compressor which I don't need. The cheapest olds motor I found was $750 and it was 150 miles away. The junk yards around here don't carry older cars they have crushed them all. I don't want to augure about this anymore. I really don't care what people run under there hood it makes no difference to me. I was just responding to what the orig poster asked. He wanted to know about putting a chev motor in his car.

ahh yes fuel injection. I sure got that from your posts. What car do I look for a factory FI 307 in?



that's a trick question btw. Please stop giving out Oldsmobile advice - I beg you.

 

[DrRansom442]

I would not put a chev motor in a like a 442.

I would! Just based on the fact that GM didn't equip it with anything that I deem as a performance engine.

yes even the glorious SBC cars were all 305s. So why not simplify things, keep it an Olds and build a 350/403/400/425/455 or even bigger.

That said I have no problems with olds motors. It's just not MY engine of choice. And I'm not gonna b*tch if someone puts a bop motor in a chevy.

been done (pretty much to evoke a response) and if you think we Olds guys cry ... you should hear the responses to an Olds powerred Camaro or Monte Carlo. Or even HOT ROD running the ricer powerred Camaro. Personally I think someone F'd up a classic there but it's his car. Having some Supra engine in a Camaro is no different than swapping an SBC into a Cutlass. Eitherway I ask "why?" I wouldn't recomend either swap to someone but that is the personal opinion of someone with a SBO powerred car.

I would be fine with that. Same deal with caddy motors.

if I wanted to drop something in bone stock and expect impressive numbers - a Caddy 500 would be it! (besides it's not done to death, really is original everytime you see it)

But it seems like every time some one puts a chevy motor in a an olds car lately, everyone gets there panties twisted. I just don't see why.

pretty big slap in the face ... it's an image that should enver have existed. In some aspects the Olds is the better choice ... but I guess if we keep telling people this the supplies will get more and more limited.

Even olds guys have to admit that in stock form ALL the engines that came in g-body cars sucked for performance(with the obvious exception of the GN).

even the GN needs some tweaks.

I wonder would you Olds guys get pissed about a 3.8 turbo buick getting dropped in an olds.

seems like a lot of effort to swap in for a V-8 car ... if it had a Buick 231 ... that would be my first choice. Likewise if I was in Canada, the 305 would probably get another Chevy ... unless I had a handy Olds and all the parts ready to go. I'd just consider it fixing GM's mistake.

FYI- This post is not directed at any person in particular.

And to the OP, I'm sorry your thread got so hi-jacked.

atleast it's being civil. Should see how nasty this thread could get - if it was ON an Olds board. Be amazed how many people come to Olds-centerred boards and ask.

 

[jrm81bu]

[quote="DrRansom442yes even the glorious SBC cars were all 305s. So why not simplify things, keep it an Olds and build a 350/403/400/425/455 or even bigger.

To me staying olds powered isn't necesseril simpler. But I do agree with going bigger if you stay with olds.

been done (pretty much to evoke a response) and if you think we Olds guys cry ... you should hear the responses to an Olds powerred Camaro or Monte Carlo.

You won't get a response out of me. Don't see much wrong with it. Keep in mind though, how many time has GM put chevy motors in other makes, throughout their entire lineage? And vice versa?

Or even HOT ROD running the ricer powerred Camaro. Personally I think someone F'd up a classic there but it's his car.

I agree.

Having some Supra engine in a Camaro is no different than swapping an SBC into a Cutlass. Eitherway I ask "why?"

Big difference betwwen the two. GM don't make Supras.

In some aspects the Olds is the better choice ... but I guess if we keep telling people this the supplies will get more and more limited.

Explain this if you want. I'm not going the route of which engine is better. Neither side will be able to prove their opinion.

seems like a lot of effort to swap in for a V-8 car ... if it had a Buick 231 ... that would be my first choice. Likewise if I was in Canada, the 305 would probably get another Chevy ... unless I had a handy Olds and all the parts ready to go. I'd just consider it fixing GM's mistake.

If it was GM's "mistake" don't complain when the average guy does it. Just blame GM. If their mistake is so bad then maybe you should get away from everything GM makes. Maybe the real mistake is not using chevy motors in everything a long time ago. 😀

atleast it's being civil. Should see how nasty this thread could get - if it was ON an Olds board. Be amazed how many people come to Olds-centerred boards and ask.[/quote]

And I hope it stays civil. I mean no harm. But this is not an olds forum, it pertains to all g-bodies.

 

[gs dewd]

I would not put a chev motor in a like a 442.

I would! Just based on the fact that GM didn't equip it with anything that I deem as a performance engine.

yes even the glorious SBC cars were all 305s. So why not simplify things, keep it an Olds and build a 350/403/400/425/455 or even bigger.

That said I have no problems with olds motors. It's just not MY engine of choice. And I'm not gonna b*tch if someone puts a bop motor in a chevy.

been done (pretty much to evoke a response) and if you think we Olds guys cry ... you should hear the responses to an Olds powerred Camaro or Monte Carlo. Or even HOT ROD running the ricer powerred Camaro. Personally I think someone F'd up a classic there but it's his car. Having some Supra engine in a Camaro is no different than swapping an SBC into a Cutlass. Eitherway I ask "why?" I wouldn't recomend either swap to someone but that is the personal opinion of someone with a SBO powerred car.

I would be fine with that. Same deal with caddy motors.

if I wanted to drop something in bone stock and expect impressive numbers - a Caddy 500 would be it! (besides it's not done to death, really is original everytime you see it)

But it seems like every time some one puts a chevy motor in a an olds car lately, everyone gets there panties twisted. I just don't see why.

pretty big slap in the face ... it's an image that should enver have existed. In some aspects the Olds is the better choice ... but I guess if we keep telling people this the supplies will get more and more limited.

Even olds guys have to admit that in stock form ALL the engines that came in g-body cars sucked for performance(with the obvious exception of the GN).

even the GN needs some tweaks.

I wonder would you Olds guys get pissed about a 3.8 turbo buick getting dropped in an olds.

seems like a lot of effort to swap in for a V-8 car ... if it had a Buick 231 ... that would be my first choice. Likewise if I was in Canada, the 305 would probably get another Chevy ... unless I had a handy Olds and all the parts ready to go. I'd just consider it fixing GM's mistake.

FYI- This post is not directed at any person in particular.

And to the OP, I'm sorry your thread got so hi-jacked.

atleast it's being civil. Should see how nasty this thread could get - if it was ON an Olds board. Be amazed how many people come to Olds-centerred boards and ask.

You need to edit your thread. I didn't say all that. And I do agree on the artical Hotrod did. That guy did butcher a perfectly restored Camaro. As far as giving advice, hmm I think I am more then capable and you don't need to be that much of an *ss all the time. I have done more then my fair share of engine swaps. I don't know why your getting so pissed off over what someone else wants to do to there car. If you want to keep your car all olds, I think I speak for more then a few people on here, great where happy for you. Some of us don't have the money or the parts availibilty to do that. And as far as "I should have bought a monte carlo" why? I found "my" car for a $125.00. Why should I have passed that up and spend more money on another car for a engine? And the better one was sell it and buy a Monte carlo. Wtf. You know I heard that same sh*t when I swapped in a 4g63t into a eclipse I had. Hearing people say sell your n/t car and buy a turbo car it's not worth it, was bull. I had less into that car then buying a turbo car and it had a built motor. And after the car was done the same people where sraying great job. And I actually sold the car to one of them. The thing is I let that go because those people where of the younger generation and didn't understand how easy it was to do that swap. I didn't think anyone more mature then that would want to start crap with someone over there choice of what they are going to do to there car. So be honest you can't really be this anal about what motor someone else puts in there car can you? Damn it isn't like these cars are going to be worth a fortune or anything. Like said before it's just a run of the mill cutlass. It's not like a collectors piece or anything and never be no matter what engine or shape its in. This is it I am tired of arguing with you on this. I know my sh*t how about you? If you did you wouldn't be loading this thread up with false info. I think more then a few people have proved my points in here. And I thank them for the backup. Just take a pill and leave it alone. I think enough is enough. No one bashed you so you didn't need to bash me. Hey if I didn't get everything totally right or not clear enough i'm sorry but no need for you directing crap towards me. Wouldn't it been better if you would have said that your opinion would be to do this or that istead of crapping on someone? I simply answered the guys questions with the swap he purposed. Which I answerd correctly. What he has and what he purposes to do would be a easy swap as he already has pretty much everything to do it with.


To the original poster of this thread I'm sorry for the hijack. The answer to your questions are in here. Good luck on the swap and have fun it's your car do with it what you want. Don't let anyone discourage you. If you need more advice pm me as I am done with this thread. Sorry for your thread getting all screwed up.

 

[gs dewd]

[quote="DrRansom442yes even the glorious SBC cars were all 305s. So why not simplify things, keep it an Olds and build a 350/403/400/425/455 or even bigger.

To me staying olds powered isn't necesseril simpler. But I do agree with going bigger if you stay with olds.

been done (pretty much to evoke a response) and if you think we Olds guys cry ... you should hear the responses to an Olds powerred Camaro or Monte Carlo.

You won't get a response out of me. Don't see much wrong with it. Keep in mind though, how many time has GM put chevy motors in other makes, throughout their entire lineage? And vice versa?

Or even HOT ROD running the ricer powerred Camaro. Personally I think someone F'd up a classic there but it's his car.

I agree.

Having some Supra engine in a Camaro is no different than swapping an SBC into a Cutlass. Eitherway I ask "why?"

Big difference betwwen the two. GM don't make Supras.

In some aspects the Olds is the better choice ... but I guess if we keep telling people this the supplies will get more and more limited.

Explain this if you want. I'm not going the route of which engine is better. Neither side will be able to prove their opinion.

seems like a lot of effort to swap in for a V-8 car ... if it had a Buick 231 ... that would be my first choice. Likewise if I was in Canada, the 305 would probably get another Chevy ... unless I had a handy Olds and all the parts ready to go. I'd just consider it fixing GM's mistake.

If it was GM's "mistake" don't complain when the average guy does it. Just blame GM. If their mistake is so bad then maybe you should get away from everything GM makes. Maybe the real mistake is not using chevy motors in everything a long time ago. 😀

atleast it's being civil. Should see how nasty this thread could get - if it was ON an Olds board. Be amazed how many people come to Olds-centerred boards and ask.

And I hope it stays civil. I mean no harm. But this is not an olds forum, it pertains to all g-bodies.[/quote]


X2 I agree with you. I really don't care what someone puts in there car. Putting a supra motor in a perfectly restored Camaro bothers me a bit but it's that guys car and if he wants to destroy his car thats his problem. I am not going to aurgue with someone on a message board over it. Hell if I had a pile of money to sink in my car, that b*tch would get a fat hemi jammed in it. I am just being realistic with putting a sbc in it. It's what I can afford. If someone wants to donate a 350 olds engine for my build i'll sell the sbc engine I just bought and use that. Other then that I won't lose any sleep with the chev motor in there.

 

[jae]

Damn,

After reading all of this I thought I was in Congress or listening to Rush Limbaugh and any democratic person :shock:

What was the point of this thread again? :?

 

[kortekusa]

ok thats it im tired of this, this thread is over guys I have about 750 into a motor (ALREADY BUILT) and a th350 trans.i happened to come across the car cheap w/ a blown transmission. If you cant pair that together then i dont know what to think... lol. if the car had a 307 in it then i woulda just swapped trannies, maybe threw a cam and some pipes on it then called it a day. but.... a 260,, no thanks.
ive pretty much got it figured out now thanks to some on the thread and some local people. I will start posting pics in 3-4 weeks when we pull the motor, paint the bay, and drop new one in. The body will prolly sit for a while before it gets sprayed since im using my uncles garage to do the painting and etc. He paints cars as a side job ftw. Yes the bay will be properly sprayed :wink: I still have to figure out what color im going to paint the car. It has a tan interior and one possibility is white with blue pearl in the clear. dont wanna do red since its so effin expensive.

 

[85 Cutlass Brougham]

I hate Oldsmobile Nazis.... :lol:

Seriously, build what you want. If you don't like someone putting a Chevy in an Olds, well give them a free engine you consider appropriate or don't b*tch. This is one of the reasons I don't belong to a Olds specific board. I am not a purist and have no desire to preserve any sort of brand integrity. I play with cars in a way I see fit and don't care what some olds farts who sit around in lawn chairs listening to oldies think of my car or my ideas. I didn't live in the 60's when Olds built cars worth caring about in stock form and have no reverence for the brand. I like my car, (and have had it since 1993) but I had to change everything for me to like it. I wanted a GN or a Monte SS, but got the Olds for free, so I played with it instead. It's a car, not a Picasso. Unless it is some super rare model there is nothing wrong with putting it together however you choose. After all, G bodies are brand engineered cars for the most part, with nothing that makes them special compared to other G bodies. Minor trim variations, and what engines were used from year to year are about the only real differences. A G body Cutlass Supreme is not a 1970 442 W-30. If a Chevy engine was good enough in an Oldsmobile for GM, then it's good enough for me.