Anybody here got Solar ? If you do, Do you like it ?

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The gubmint tax incentive program in the U.S. got extended through 2021 I thought, then it would be phased out. That's when you'll see solar power installations either drop like a rock or come up with some other rebate program. If you lease, 1) you're not too smart and 2) the 3rd party company gets the tax incentives. You don't. There may be state incentives too, so always check into that if you want to go that route.

Here's the latest details....

2016 – 2019: The tax credit remains at 30 percent of the cost of the system.
  • 2020: Owners of new residential and commercial solar can deduct 26 percent of the cost of the system from their taxes.
  • 2021: Owners of new residential and commercial solar can deduct 22 percent of the cost of the system from their taxes.
  • 2022 onwards: Owners of new commercial solar energy systems can deduct 10 percent of the cost of the system from their taxes. There is no federal credit for residential solar energy systems.
In previous years, owners of new solar energy systems could not claim the tax credit unless their system was operational. Now, recent legislation allows homeowners to claim it as soon as the construction of the system begins, as long as the solar panel system is operational by December 31, 2023.
 
I have a small (5 watt, I believe) solar panel for my gate opener. Works really well, and it's a good thing because the closest electric is over 600 feet away.

Only downside I have seen is if it rains for a week, the battery won't always have enough charge left to operate it. Only been once in 5 years
Hahaha. This reminds me of my neighbor's place down the road a bit. He was telling me that his gate opener solar panel he mounted on a nearby tree (he didn't want other people finding it/stealing it, whatever) and as the tree grew, it covered most of the panels where they didn't get enough sun to keep his battery charged. He'd take his battery back to wherever he bought it, complained, they'd test it, and say it needed only a charge. And he even replaced his solar panel once until someone told him to mount it out in the sun with minimal chance for shade... it was kinda funny as he was telling it.
 
The ONLY way solar is monetarily worth it is if you do the install yourself and get a decent deal on the parts by shopping around. If you want to hookup batteries so you can have power when it's dark then it's definitely not worth it. Batteries are expensive and have a limited life span. If you're talking about an off-grid camp then that's another story. Usually there is no power available so really this is your only choice.
 
My dad is a civil engineer for a large school district. He manages all of their facilities, equipment and utilities. He just headed a 110 million dollar renovation on their high school and one of the things they looked into extensively was solar. Well after a lot of sales pitches and research this is the general consensus-

The panels, batteries, and all the related installation hardware and wiring takes about 25 years to pay for itself, including tax incentives and assuming electricity costs stay fixed at the current rate (they won't). The life of the panels? 20-25 years. So it's a wash.

And if you have a roof leak or any other work that needs done on the roof (AC units, antennas, lighting, etc), the panels will need to be removed to allow the work to be done, and then reinstalled which equates to more time and $$$.

It might be worth be it some day when they can lower the cost of the panels and increase their usable life, but right now it just doesn't justify itself.
 
Just toss them in the yard. Then your house can be golden. Drop some Sahara down around your panels, no mowing, no problems! 🙂

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I know living here in AZ means we have more sunshine than we know what to do with it. We don't even use DAYLIGHT savings time.
My point is, our power company came through and offered us a deal, $35 OFF each months electric bill if THEY could install and maintain
and OWN all the power generated by the panels. Sounds good right? I just had a new roof put on 30 months ago. Okay keep talking
power company salesman.....and the deal lasts, 10 years.
Now, I'm not smart but if I let them do this, and they raise my rates over the next year, say $35 a month, then where is MY WIN?
$35 a month X 12 Months is $420.
Meanwhile they get the profit using my roof and my house and think about it, it will be like free rent for them in a year and then
nine months of free rental space.
Thanks.......but you need to give ME FREE electricity for 10 years. Then we can talk.

You got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them...............as Kenny Rogers sang...............
 
With the tax incentives when we purchased our 8kW system, I'm looking at 7-8 year payback AND there is always the possibility that now that our warranty is about up [2, 3 and 5 year on different components] there is always the possibility you have to consider at least some failure swap and what scares me worse is, as fast as tech changes, you have a risk of not having a compatible replacement by the time you need one. Without the tax incentives, that payback goes to 10 years. But, that is based on my costs from 5 years ago. I have not re-costed the same system. They have gone down.

And, since we moved out in the sticks, the PODUNK REC we have to hook to here not only does NOT have to bank or even pay for the excess power I produce, they would not allow me to hook up my auto-failover feature. I have the ability to fail over to the panels, then battery until they are down to 50%, then to back up generator which now is diesel but I was going to trickle bleed my own hydrogen for a power cell producing water vapor when it kicks on. No auto failover, I only bought enough capacity to "almost" run my home, just enough batteries to power all my LV lighting on the property which is quite well lit [guessing the space station can see me at night - ALL LED] and did not invest the better generator either . . . yet.

That said, we have a 5,000 sq ft house that has foot thick walls, all brick, 2 feet of insulation in the attic, but with [lied to when we bought it] junk windows, doors, and fireplaces that leak like a sieve yet we still went from $200/mth average to $40/mth average when I flipped the switch and most of that $40 are just stupid fees. Once I get the windows, doors, and fireplaces replaced, if I ain't dead [details?], I intend to add 3kW more capacity [probably more solar but considering a small wind turbine here in Kansas], more "better tech" battery capacity, get what I need for and add the fuel cell, and shut the PODUNK grid the hell off. Though granted that pushes the payback date back out. Bearing in mind it is just the wife and I here, surprisingly 8kW of production will "almost" run this rather large home. For example, one time the power was out, the furnace was on, I was preheating the oven for a pizza the wife was bringing home, the fridge was running, a few lights, and when the wife came home and hit the garage door opener, we had a brown-out which just kicked the system off. Extra 3kW of capacity will solve that.

A "movement" to green energy across the board lowers the costs across the board through economies of scale, creates great paying jobs right here, and just imagine a world where every home, business, etc is energy self sufficient?

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Not to mention those panels on the roofs look like poop!!
 
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