I have an old school, 9k lbs, chicago built ALM 2 post lift in my home shop. You need 13 foot ceilings but I get to do whatever I want without worry. I bought mine used for 2k installed and it's a lot beafier built than any equivalent new 9k lift. My buddies k2500, 4x4, duramax extended cab pick-up goes up as easily as my 07 Subie and is just as stable.