Control Arm reinforcements - opinions

Status
Not open for further replies.
online170 said:
The UMI and Hotchkis brace is a beefier version of the old factory braces that used to be on the A-body chassis. They looked very similar to the rad support braces in our G Bodies.

From a physics point of view, the bolt holding each control arm goes through the frame and holds the control arm. The Threaded end of the bolt is not connected to anything so the bolt is essentially a cantilever with a very weak sheet metal brace (the control arm mount). When the control arm moves around so does the bolt. The brace adds a rigid member to the cantilever end of both bolts, and make the bolt a bit more rigid. So when you launch, the mounting points of the control arm are more likely to stay in place rather than flex. The upper control arms are mounted slightly better, but ultimately that cross member is just a piece of sheet metal. From the looks of it, I think the brace MAINLY helps the lower control arm, and not so much the upper.

In terms of weight, the benefits of the rigidity far outweigh the detriment of the insignificant weight gain. You could also make it yourself out of crushed tubing if you were so inclined.


As the others have said, anything you can do to make the chassis more rigid is beneficial, especially with a sub 1.7 second 60ft time that you will definitely get when running in the 11's.


Just to give you an idea. My previous car was a 1971 Buick Skylark with the Buick 350. All big block buicks got this chassis brace from the factory. But my 350 car produced enough torque (with a bit of carb and timing adjustment) to flex the frame. My car sat lower on one side than the other after i was done tuning and thrashing it a few times. It ran 15's in the 1/4, but it snapped your neck on launch from torque. This is likely to kind of damage you will see . The lower control arm mount is definitely the weaker of the two. But the upper mount is also a weak link.


Hope that helps. (Attached is a picture of the A-body Factory Version just to give you an idea).

The upper control arm mounts are just stamped 1/8th sheet metal, these cars were not designed or built to be drag racers and need some beefing up. The originally 3.8L in my Regal with just 110 HP twisted the body enough to cause cracks in the quarter roof seams. The Tinman rear seat braces do not come predrilled because the the hole may not line up due to body warpage.
 
Thanks guys....All good input. I ordered the upper and lower control arm brackets and plan to weld them in. I'll likely buy reinforcement bars as well for peace of mind.

The Schwartz performance chassis is a very nice piece but cost prohibitive. Also I thought the video was a little misleading in that unlike the wet noodle Chevelle example they show, I can lift my G body from front or rear on one side and both wheels lift with very little flex.
 
The frame and body are much stiffer bolted together than they are apart which is why the video is misleading.
 
You should be well on your way with that.

Sounds like you have a nice starting point if thats the case. My Regal flexes quite a bit with the corner jack method. However, i have none of the factory bracing, nor any sway bars. My buddy's regal is stiff as a rock, and if you lift on any corner, that entire side will lift up like yours. He has all the factory bracing, a fully boxed frame, and upgraded sway bars. It all helps.
 
A buddy of mine went with solid body mounts on his Monte Carlo and according to him that alone helped stiffen things up. Im not sure if thats because with solid mounts the body and frame are one or if his factory rubber mounts were rotted away. I just ordered a set of solid mounts from JT Racecraft so I can test this myself :lol: I have the bolt in UMI braces that tie in the upper and lower control arm mounts together, all of the F41 bracing except rear seat braces, thicker sway bars, and tubular rear control arms in mine. With the new 496 im really worried about ripping this rear mounts off though after reading this.
 
online170 said:
You should be well on your way with that.

Sounds like you have a nice starting point if thats the case. My Regal flexes quite a bit with the corner jack method. However, i have none of the factory bracing, nor any sway bars. My buddy's regal is stiff as a rock, and if you lift on any corner, that entire side will lift up like yours. He has all the factory bracing, a fully boxed frame, and upgraded sway bars. It all helps.

All of the Buicks except the GNX have missing body bushings, this makes Regals and GNs the most flimsy G bodies in stock form. The Buicks usually lack lower bushings for #3 and 4, and lack the # 5 bushings. First handling upgrade for a Regal is to install the missing bushings.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

GBodyForum is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com. Amazon, the Amazon logo, AmazonSupply, and the AmazonSupply logo are trademarks of Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates.

Please support GBodyForum Sponsors

Classic Truck Consoles Dixie Restoration Depot UMI Performance

Contact [email protected] for info on becoming a sponsor