ethanol for carburated cars?

[pontiacgp]

back in the 60's chrysler had a car that ran on just about anything...

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/turbine.html

not that I am a chrysler fan... :?

 

[85 Cutlass Brougham]

The turbine cars have their own issues. Turbine engines neither accelerate nor decelerate quickly and the lag can be quite disconcerting in a road going vehicle. They also produce lots of heat and have poor fuel consumption. Now an interesting way to use a turbine engine would be to use it to power a generator instead of directly linking it to the drive wheels via a mechanical drivetrain. That way, you could charge a battery pack with the generator and keep the turbine running at a steady state speed. Throttle control would be via an electronic speed controller just like in a standard electric car.

 

[megaladon6]

like i said, americans are stupid, always looking for one perfect answer. i prefer the german method: if it will help, use it. besides you can make light oils from plants and they're working on plant based synthetic motor oils. turbine cars are actually pretty efficient. especially now that they have reliable CVT transmissions. the main problem for production is the complexity and cost.

 

[pontiacgp]

americans are stupid

why don't you tell us how you really feel...

 

[megaladon6]

we are!

 

[pontiacgp]

I disagree..the Americans ingenuity is over shadowed by corporate business and the oil companies but they are definably not stupid by any means..

 

[85 Cutlass Brougham]

Yeah, we are no more stupid than the rest of mankind. It is a very naive view to say that it is just Americans. Frankly, I don't want EU-style socialism in my country. Their health care systems are in shambles, and they are no more environmentally friendly than we are. The US has the strictest emissions controls of any major western country and I see no reason to make them more stringent. Germany has its own problems and I don't want to copy them. Frankly, the whole EU has become one big nanny state where citizens have given up their privacy and liberty in the name of some sort of so-called security. We are getting there and it frightens me. Too many people in this country want to cede their own responsibility to the government in the name of security and do not realize just what a hornets nest of horrors they are opening themselves up to. We are too quick to vote away our liberties because we do not wish to be responsible for our own lives and actions. Totalitarianism could be right around the corner and this time it will be by the ballot box and not by force. One only need to look at the end of the Wiemar Republic in Germany during the 1930's to see just how quickly the masses will go for the first slick talking politician who promises to take away all of their problems in exchange for more power to see how easy it would be.

 

[megaladon6]

i said americans are stupin, not, ONLY americans are stupid. this country practices reverse darwinism: survival of the dumbest. remember law cases like sueing mc donalds because a woman spilled coffee on her self? or because somebodies kid is fat from only eating junk food. how about a burglar suing a house owner because he fell through her skylight and broke his leg? we throw people out of the military because they aren't politically correct, or too aggressive. soldiers are being tought to be nice to their enemy, not to kill him. and how dare our police forces be suspicious of arabs? no arab would ever harm this country! (an outstanding majority wouldn't, but it's more likely than the irish) people freak abou the environmental issue, but still buy new gass guzzling SUV's. we have a decent hospitals and doctors, but who can afford them? but we give free health care to illegal immigrants! this, and many other practices, is stupid. at least germany is trying something to reduce their oil consumption, we just argue about it. what you actually need to compare modern america to is the fall of the roman empire. when personal hedonism and greed overshadowed the needs of the country.
"the rights of the masses outweigh the right of the individual"Oliver Wendell Holmes

i am an american, patriot, and third gen military. i swore an oath to serve the constitution, that's why i am outspoken. just being a sycophant creates a downward spiral. if i offend you sorry, nothing personal.
done ranting now!

 

[GP403]

.....One only need to look at the end of the Wiemar Republic in Germany during the 1930's to see just how quickly the masses will go for the first slick talking politician who promises to take away all of their problems in exchange for more power to see how easy it would be.

Thread Terminated on account of invoking Godwin's Law!!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

 

[85 Cutlass Brougham]

Okay, next time I will use the rise of the Bolshevik's in 1917 when they overthrew the Czar, or the idiotic French Revolution in which Robespierre started beheading those who did not agree with him. Both were due to poor economic conditions and a starving populace, as was what happened in Germany. That was all I meant. People are all too willing to sacrifice hard won liberties in the name of basic needs and a perception that a given politician will somehow make it all better if you just give him what he asks for. All 3 groups killed people on a massive scale into the millions to further their cause and stamp out dissent. There is not such a climate today, but an economic upheaval or a shortage of basic things like food for enough people is all it usually takes to descend into totalitarianism. (BTW: Some of my family were killed by the Bolsheviks during the revolution.)

Other possible choices of the state out of control: Chinese communist revolution and Mao's cultural revolution, Vlad Dracul in Romania, the Khumer Rouge in Cambodia, Rome under several emperors, etc. The most modern spooky characters elected to office would be Hugo Chavez of Venezuela and Vladimir Putin of Russia. Anyhow, I'll stop.