Interesting Read about the 86 GP 2+2

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jasonreid

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Maybe some of you have read this but I found it quite interesting regarding some of the design and where it was developed. The section below is found towards the bottom. There are a lot of nice pictures on the page of many vintage and classic Pontiacs for those of us Poncho folks... haha

http://www.pontiacsonline.com/TOM%20GOAD.htm

The last rear wheel drive Grand Prixs were being used in NASCAR racing in the 1980's and Pontiac had several very successful teams, while Chevrolet was using their Monte Carlo. John Calais found out that Chevrolet had created a fast back rear window for the Monte Carlo to improve the car's aerodynamics for use by NASCAR competitors in 1986. John wanted the same aero benefit created for the Grand Prix. I worked with Bill Bailey and his company Autodynamics, to create a more aerodynamic Grand Prix model, the Grand Prix 2+2.

In an outside design studio, Pontiac's designer from Design Staff developed a clay model using a production Grand Prix to create a more aerodynamic front end and a sloped rear glass with a short deck lid with a large built in spoiler. LOF (Libby Owens Ford glass company) in Toledo made a mold and drape formed the rear window, much like what they were doing for the Camaro and Firebird. We had to build a minimum of 1500 cars to meet NASCAR's production car standards. All the Grand Prixs and Monte Carlos were built in Canada at the St. Therese Assembly Plant north of Montreal.

These special mid-year model, Grand Prix 2+2 aerodynamic coupes, were all painted metallic gray. The production bumpers were received from the Pontiac stamping plant, painted body color and shipped to St Therese for installation on the 2+2's. The cars were built and shipped without a front-end panel, headlights, rear backlite or deck lid. The cars were shipped to Bill Bailey's plant he setup in Oxford, Michigan. In his Autodynamics plant the sharp upper body crease had to be rounded at its rear edge to match the rounded shape of the corner of the rear window. This required grinding and use of body filler, then repainting the area. A special fiberglass rear panel was installed to support the rear glass and an extremely short fiberglass decklid with an integral four-inch high spoiler was installed. A special rounded body colored front fascia (similar to a Firebird) with four honeycomb grilles was installed with production headlights and marker lights. My chassis development engineer did the vehicle development work using our prototype 2+2 at the GM Desert Proving Grounds using Monte Carlo SS suspension components (stabilizer bars, springs, bushings, etc.) and tires. I went down to the Proving Grounds and drove his test car. It was not only the best handling Grand Pix I had ever driven, but it also had the best body structure. The large backlite and its supporting panels stiffened the body eliminating the bouncing seat feel that regular Grand Pxis had due to their lightweight frame and short wheelbase, plus the excessive front overhang. The original fiberglass model of the 1978 Grand Prix had a four-inch longer wheelbase than the LeMans, but our management said it was not necessary. I always felt this was a poor decision. The 2+2 was the best riding and handling 1978-1986 Grand Prix that was ever sold to the public. Too bad it was the rear drive Grand Prix's last year of production. Pontiac decided this was the end of production for the rear drive mode. Pontiac was the first division to start production of the all-new front wheel drive Grand Prix for the 1987-88 model years. This Grand Prix was to be built in the all-new Fairfax Kansas City assembly plant with production starting in the spring of 1987. Our NASCAR teams were allowed to continue racing the 2+2's through the 1987 season.

After reading this, I really wonder how much of a difference I would notice by adding that back bubble window in...lol
 
Sorry for bringing up an older topic, but I cant believe all those cars had their back window fitted in my town, Oxford MI. Just thinking that back in the 80s, at one point, all 1,118 of those cars were being worked on, right around the block from my current house. Thanks for posting that, it was quite interesting.
 
I know someone who rebuilt a 2x2 and he said that when you took off the paint and body fill in that area you can see that they reshaped that area with a hammer..I guess it was an autodynamics hammer

The cars were shipped to Bill Bailey's plant he setup in Oxford, Michigan. In his Autodynamics plant the sharp upper body crease had to be rounded at its rear edge to match the rounded shape of the corner of the rear window. This required grinding and use of body filler, then repainting the area
 
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pontiacgp said:
I know someone who rebuilt a 2x2 and he said that when you took off the paint and body fill in that area you can see that they reshaped that area with a hammer..I guess it was an autodynamics hammer

The cars were shipped to Bill Bailey's plant he setup in Oxford, Michigan. In his Autodynamics plant the sharp upper body crease had to be rounded at its rear edge to match the rounded shape of the corner of the rear window. This required grinding and use of body filler, then repainting the area

:lol: Good one! I'd love to check out a 2+2 just to check out that back window and see how it exactly fits. I've only seen pics and you really can't get a good feel for it.
 
jasonreid said:
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pontiacgp said:
I know someone who rebuilt a 2x2 and he said that when you took off the paint and body fill in that area you can see that they reshaped that area with a hammer..I guess it was an autodynamics hammer

The cars were shipped to Bill Bailey's plant he setup in Oxford, Michigan. In his Autodynamics plant the sharp upper body crease had to be rounded at its rear edge to match the rounded shape of the corner of the rear window. This required grinding and use of body filler, then repainting the area

:lol: Good one! I'd love to check out a 2+2 just to check out that back window and see how it exactly fits. I've only seen pics and you really can't get a good feel for it.

If you want I'll take a few pics of my friends 2+2 and post em, but basically it just sits on a lip conformed to the roof and decklid.
 
dream on mcss said:
If you want I'll take a few pics of my friends 2+2 and post em, but basically it just sits on a lip conformed to the roof and decklid.

What's what I always thought. If you can please I"d love to see some close up pics.
 
Actually, according to Pontiac historical services, there were 1,225 '86 GP 2+2s built. I believe that the 1,118 number was for 2+2s that were sold in the States, and that there were an additional 107 2+2s that were sold in Canada. I have one of the Canadian 2+2s (for sale BTW), and it has a different emission control package than the U.S. cars (no A.I.R. system). Its also interesting to note that the 2+2 only got the 165Hp 305 LG4 engine, as Pontiac was not allowed to use the 180HP 305HO L69 engine that was installed in the Monte SS, and had 3.08/1 rear gears, as opposed to the 3.73/1 rear gears that were used in the Monte SS that year.
 
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