Looking for advice on frame repair / frame off

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My 88 cutlass has the famous rust on the rear frame rails. It's not horrible at the moment but there are some small spots that are rusted through. I'm planning on getting them fixed but have read that normally if the rear rails are rusted that there more than likely is other rust issues. I also don't have access to a welder so I more than likely would have to take the car in to have this repair done. My other option that I know absolutely nothing about would be doing a frame off. I came across a 84 cutlass frame from oklahoma on craigslist. The guy says its very clean. I know doing a frame off would be a lot of work but what Im not sure of is it even possible to do in my garage, or would I need a full shop with a lift to do it? I feel like it would be cheaper and morre correct to buy the frame on craigslist rather than just patch the rear frame rails. I'm afraid I either won't have the knowledge, or the tools to do it right and will get stuck half way through or something. If I'm going to spend the time and money I want to do it correctly so any advice is appreciated.

http://wausau.craigslist.org/pts/5010282684.html
 
you don't need a lift to remove the frame but you should have a few friends to give you a hand. It's a long job to switch all the suspension and drive train to a new frame , especially if you don't have a compressor and in impact gun.
 
Read the thread about the guy replacing body bushings on a 79 Monte. The issues he ran into are issues you will most likely run into and they are the hardest part of the job. Just be careful with the body as you are raising it, having it fall can really bend stuff bad. In the long run putting a good solid frame under the car is 100% better than patches.
 
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Read the thread about the guy replacing body bushings on a 79 Monte. The issues he ran into are issues you will most likely run into and they are the hardest part of the job. Just be careful with the body as you are raising it, having it fall can really bend stuff bad. In the long run putting a good solid frame under the car is 100% better than patches.

https://gbodyforum.com/threads/replacing-body-bushings-on-1979-monte-carlo.55674/

Started reading that post and thats a lot more than I thought it would be. For starters I'd have to do more research and find out what some of the stuff thats being talked about is. Also if the bottom of the body would have to be repaired then I would be screwed because I don't have a welder.
 
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Inspect your frame real good especially in front of the rear wheels and see if the rest is ok - usually just the back goes from getting everything thrown off the wheel. They make rear frame replacements. On a side note - since your timid about doing this work, put pen to paper and find out how much it will cost to get the car where you want it. G bodies prices are in the sewer right now and you might consider flipping it and picking up another one.
 
I've still been looking into this and think I got a plan together. I was at the only local junk yard I could find with older cars and found a Monta carlo Ls with a decent frame. First thing Id like to check is that the cutlass and monte have the same frame? Eventually I would like to go to a 200-4r transmission and read something about have to extend the frame for the cross member? Can anyone explain a little more? I hope I'll learn what Im doing while working on the junk donor car that way when I do the cutlass I'll have a much better knowledge of what needs to be done. And if I get stuck or lost I'll only be out a couple hundred in stead of having my car in pieces in the garage.

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the Cutlass and Monte have the same frame. By the looks of that Monte I think it would have the extension for a 200 r4. If it doesn't it's not hard to fabricate one.
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Try to find a frame later than '84. The later frame would already have the extension in place to accommodate the 200-4R transmission. As Steve said, the extension can be fabricated if not equipped with one.
 
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