My 383 build plans.

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not as experienced as some guys on here but have built a 383 (except clearance the block) and a couple 350s. Next time won't have a machine shop clearance the block after seeing it, its not very difficult. I don't see a 350 living longer at the same revs of a 383 with similar rods (its not a 327), and its a gain of a good amount of torque, and depending on how high you want to wind it significantly more hp than smaller sbc's. A 350 block with a 3.875" stroke isn't going to make as much difference from 383-> 396 as a 355-> 383 would make, plus that stroke will start losing rpm capabilites (a 4.0" stroke with 350 block is a low revving torquer) a 383 is the perfect build for a street engine, don't have too much clearancing headache, will run cool over a 400sb, and for something like you're building not as thirsty as a bb.

the first few things I noticed here was overbuild for your hp goal/min rating, odds are you're going to end up short of the mark and the engine will be able to handle the higher hp # anyway, unless you're hot lapping this on a 1/4 or are a superb tuner working on the edge of mechanical failure. I am running hypereutectic Keith black pistons similar style to what dogshit recommended. I would not use forged for your power numbers, the alum/silicone is lighter (rotating mass) and much more than enough for 450 hp. I run an eagle cast crank thats rated at 550 hp, also lighter than a forged version. My current setup is around 450-470 hp and have no fear of anything breaking.

As far as the rods thing, I disagree with using 6.0 rods in a garage built motor for longevity. Yes you have less sidewall loading but what kills home built hot rod street engines first (usually), blowing them up or wearing out the sidewalls at 130Kmiles? 5.7 rods are lighter (again with the rotating mass), and their pistons are stronger. The biggest problem with a 6.0 rod on a street motor is they dwell longer at TDC, and would be affected by detonation quicker than the 5.7's. Plus 5.7 rods may be cheaper if you buy through the right source.

For the best bang for the buck + lightweight rotating mass, go cast crank, hyper. pistons, 5.7 rods.

Now for the top end, you'll need heads with at least 180 cc intake runners that flow at least 230 cfm at .5 intake lift. I would look into the 185-195 cc intake runner range with something that flows around +/- 250 cfm. This is limiting you to a dozen or so aftermarket heads (unless you really want to work over some stock vortecs, it'd prob cost about the same for what you're wanting). But for your power numbers don't dwell on flow ratings alone. AFR's are nice, but you can buy something 600-700$ cheaper that would flow MAYBE 10-15 cfm less across the board at your useable rpm range. We're talking max 10-25hp for the engine you want. not worth the extra 600$ IMO. I would have previously recommended patriots, but after the cluster**** I've had with valvetrain geometry on these things I'd say go with another high quality (not pro comp) aftermarket heads, aluminum saves a ton of weight. Trick flow/dart/brodix make good heads in that range. The problem is there just isn't another new aluminum aftermarket head in the 190-195cc runner cnc patriot freedom series range, others that are more expensive generally flow less until you get to the big boys like AFR or CNC'd (that started from) 185/190's runners from other companies and thats way out of the same price range. I see one thing you liked, the 210's --- don't do it. That is not anywhere in this build equation. If you're dead set on 210's then explain what you REALLY want out of the engine. Combustion chamber depends on other things, but in general a 68-72cc chamber will be in a solid compression range for n/a pump gas.

For longevity and reliability, a hyd. roller cam is the way to go. shouldn't really even be talking about the cam until you've got the rest of the pieces together esp your choice of heads.
 
Ive been seriously considering the Bowtie Small port (185cc) iron heads. the price is right and it is fully assembled. I cant find any aluminum heads that are compareable in price with similar flow, really, other than patriot stuff which I dont want to use.
 
othtim said:
Ive been seriously considering the Bowtie Small port (185cc) iron heads. the price is right and it is fully assembled. I cant find any aluminum heads that are compareable in price with similar flow, really, other than patriot stuff which I dont want to use.

you have the specs on those heads you want to use? a quick google showed some good flowing 185cc heads with 46cc chambers :shock: please tell me they have another style
 
I must've found their race version of those heads.
you mean something like this? -> http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-25534421/

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those will work perfect, you'll be able to run a decent sized cam maybe around 9.5-10 compression and a 270-280 cam. good price too, jegs has them for 500$. http://www.jegs.com/i/GM+Performance/80 ... 1/10002/-1

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Vortec Head Technical Notes:
• Cast iron small runner or large runner heads
• 66 cc combustion chamber, .450" deck thickness
• Straight spark plugs
• No heat risers
• Machined for 2.00"/1.55" valves
• Hardened exhaust valve seats
• 0.530" max valve lift (without modifications)
• Drilled and tapped for screw-in studs (7/16-14)
• Dual bolt patterns for perimeter bolt and center bolt valve covers
• Dual bolt patterns for both Vortec and early model intake
manifolds (use early model P/N 10051103 or Vortec design
P/N 12366573,P/N 12496820, P/N 12496821, P/N 12496822,
or P/N 12499371)
• Use production intake gasket P/N 12529094 for Vortec intakes
or dual bolt pattern intake gasket P/N 12497760 for either early
model or Vortec design manifolds
• Vortec logo (intake port roof), GM logo (intake port floors) &
Bowtie logo (exhaust side) are cast-in
• Completely assembled, ready to bolt-on
• 185 cc intake port
• 65 cc exhaust port
• Uses Fel-pro #1470 exhaust gasket
• Bare head P/N 25534351 available separately
 
I have built and still build a lot of engines, especially SBC's, tons of 350's, 383's, and 406's. I'd say 50% race and 50% some sort of street engine from mild to wild. I've built and ran 5.7" rod and 6" rod motors, none have ever failed, and I've never been easy on them(maybe it's all luck). A lot of my success I believe is because of great machine work, the guy I have do all my machine work does a lot of drag race and circle track engine work and machining, he is pretty anal about his work. Another part of that success is specing out and blue printing the engine until every clearance in that engine is where you want it. I'd say on average the engines I put together for myself, friends, and customers get the bottom end alone tore down and reassembled 4-5 times; measuring rings, moving bearing halves around 'til the clearances are perfect, etc. What I'm saying is take your time with the assembly, measuring, filing, whatever, have a good cooling and oiling system and she'll live fine.

That being said, I think for a street engine that will only see mid 5000 rpm blasts, a 5.7" rod motor will be fine. Eagle has kits you can buy from them for about $700 or $750 for a 383 that are externally balanced and ready to assemble. They have a cast crank, SIR rods, Clevite bearings, rings, a balancer, flexplate, and pistons (can't remember what brand maybe Speed Pro or Federal Mogul). I've used some of these kits on the street and for cheaper class circle track engines turning them 6500 rpm for a whole season and have never blown. Many company's offer Forged kit's that are much lighter, but cost way more. If your looking at 64cc heads you'll need a dished piston, flat tops you'll be looking for 72-76cc heads to stay on the pump gas.

For a cam I would look at some of Comp Cams XFI roller cams (or something like them), I have used these for a lot of guys who want a street cam that pulls decent vacuum, but can still rev pretty high and make power doing it. Howards also makes some very good cams that I've used quite a bit. If you are wanting something to idle fairly smoothly yet rev pretty high you may also look into some Rhoads lifters like their V-Max series lifters. When I ran circle track about 3 years back our class dictated hydraulic flat tappet cams (which had to carry 15in of vacuum @ 1000 rpm), cast iron heads and intake, and a factory carb. So I built a 406 with a 232int/238exh @ 0.050 duration cam(.515/.520 lift), Rhoads V-Max lifters, machined Vortec heads, a Vortec Bowtie intake, and a Modified Q-Jet. That motor carried 17in vacuum @ 1000 rpm, turned 6600 all season, and made 460hp/520lbft on the dyno. So if you can handle a little clicking at idle from the Rhoads lifters that may be something to look at.

As far as intakes I would still use a high rise dual plane like RPM , RPM Airgap, and similar intakes; they'll make better torque than a single plane and still good power up to 6500. Then feed it with a 750 carb- Q-Jet, Holley, Edelbrock, it doesn't matter, they'll all fit under a stock hood. Also use a good set of long tube headers with at least a 1 5/8" primary to get rid of the fumes.

Just contacting all kinds of companies about their cams, rotating assemblies, intakes, etc. and talking with them will give you a good idea on what to use.
 
x2 on the machining and assembly procedures. Makes all the difference in my buddy's circle track motors.
 
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