My Rant: Why Quadrajets are better than Edelbrock carbs

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Over the last couple of years I've been putting together a replacement for the tired 350 in my El Camino. Since it's used primarily for towing/hauling and infrequently driven, brute performance was not a priority. It had to be reliable, torquey, get reasonable mileage and be cheap gas friendly. I started with a Chevy 400 that I had sold to a buddy and immediately bought back. It had 30K on a rebuild but somehow he managed to spin a rod bearing on his second day of ownership. I "warrantied" it because I'm such a great friend :? . The combination I assembled was meant to build strong low-end torque and according to my software makes over 440ft-lbs. at 2000rpm and maintains over 400 past 3500rpm. It now specs out at 415 (.060 over), rebuilt crappy 882 heads, XE256 cam, Performer intake, HEI, stock manifolds and dual exhaust with glass-packs (for now). I was given an Edelbrock 1405 (600cfm with manual choke) by a friend who had more money than skill. When his Blazer started running poorly he just bought a new carb rather than rebuilding this one. I bought a kit, disassembled, dunked, reassembled and added an electric choke kit for convenience. I figure it would be sufficient since 400ci engines frequently used 2bbl carbs, my cruise rpm is 2200, and this one will rarely see 4000rpm.
Last week I did the engine swap, fired it up and broke it in. It ran OK but not great. In my shop it idled great and would rev fine to about 2800 and then start to stutter a bit. On my first test drive it bucked and bogged. Over the next 2 days, a minimum 8 hours, I disassembled and cleaned again. I verified that it had standard jets and rods. I jetted up and jetted down. I spent several hours doing research online. Sometimes it would get better - sometimes worse. Since I had spares, I even swapped plugs, wires and distributors just to eliminate an ignition problem. I didn't want to let this thing beat me but decided to just quit for a day or two and reflect.
Yesterday I was at the PicknPull and decided to just grab another carb to see how it compared. The donor was a '78 Sedan DeVille with a 425 -- the closest displacement to my 415 plus it had electric choke and is actually 800cfm. When I got home I gave it a quick bath, cleaned the inside and replaced the top and base gaskets with extras from my carb kit leftovers. Bolted it on, fired it up and let the engine warm up. I found that the idle mixture was already dead-on. The throttle response was 50% better than the Edelbrock. On my test drive I found incredible torque and mid-range power and it pulled effortlessly to 4500. No hesitation, stutter or flat spots whatsoever! Total cost of carb, cleaner and base gasket- $28 😀 😀 😀. Now I have an Edelbrock carb to add to my swap meet "sell" pile.
What lesson did I learn? There's no such thing as free parts.
 
good rant! :rofl:
 
I've never had problems with my edelbrock 600 w/ electric choke. Has ran plenty good for me but I might take the extra carter AFB 750 carb I have and put that on the malibu.
 
I have no problem with that. I swapped from an Edelbrock 600 to a Quadrajet 750 and it instantly made the car better everywhere. The one I found was freshly rebuilt and I paid $30 for it. My only modifications to it have been a more aggressive secondary metering rod hanger and chopping down the air valve stop. Other than that, it is as I pulled it from a 1978 Chevy van's 350. For anyone shopping for a Quadrajet, I will add these bits of advice. First off, you want one from an engine with a similar displacement to the engine you have. This will mean that the idle feed restriction is the right size to work with your engine (Similar to how a Holley 3310 will always be rich on a 350 unless you insert a wire in it because it was OEM on a 396.). Second, make sure the throttle shafts are tight! If not, it will never idle right and you will not be able to get a stable idle speed. Now, you can bush them if they are worn, but expect to add around $50 to the cost of rebuilding the carb.

As for the Edelbrock, in good condition they are a very competent carb. I would take one over a similar Holley street carb any day of the week, and will in fact be using the one from my 350 on my AMC 360 when I finally get that project going.
 
I will never buy an Edelbrock carb.

Back when my best friend and I were putting the hearse back together after having the motor and trans rebuilt, he decided to get an Edelbrock carb for it, instead of rebuilding the original carb.

We got everthing together and the motor fired up and broken in and it ran good.

He had a football game that night so he left and I finished up the car and set out to put some miles on it.
It ran good for about 75 miles before falling completely on it's face, and would barely run.
I was able to limp it back to the shop where I dicked around with trying to re-tune it for about 2 hours before giving up.
I then took the carb off and put it back in the box and told him to send it back.

He got the original Rochester Four-Jet (a predecessor of the Quadrajet) rebuilt and the car ran perfect again.
Even with all the sitting it has done over the past 8 years it still runs great, and we haven't had to touch it.
 
I won't say I'm an Edelbrock fanboy, but my 1405's been good to me over the past 5 years. It runs slightly rich at cruise, but idles good and hasn't given me any problems. I picked it up for $25 while working at a junkyard, and I've been pretty impressed that it's kept up this long, first being on the stock 305 that was in the Malibu, then through the 1st and 2nd rebuild of the 350 in it now. I'd love to go with a Q-Jet, but my current intake only has a squarebore flange. I may still do the swap someday, who knows what the future holds.
 
Doober said:
I won't say I'm an Edelbrock fanboy, but my 1405's been good to me over the past 5 years. It runs slightly rich at cruise, but idles good and hasn't given me any problems. I picked it up for $25 while working at a junkyard, and I've been pretty impressed that it's kept up this long, first being on the stock 305 that was in the Malibu, then through the 1st and 2nd rebuild of the 350 in it now. I'd love to go with a Q-Jet, but my current intake only has a squarebore flange. I may still do the swap someday, who knows what the future holds.
I would get a metering rod spring kit and go to a weaker set of springs by a step. This should solve the rich condition at part throttle. Total cost should be under $10, and it will take about a minute to change.
 
I'll keep that in mind. The car isn't being driven right now because it's up in Michigan & the drivetrain will be going into the '78 after the frame & plumbing are done (I probably won't be driving the '81 anymore).
 
Obviously, my title was meant to be kind tongue-n-cheek. I've actually had pretty good luck with Carter/Edelbrock carbs on other cars I've had. This is the first one to ever fight me and I'm pretty sure now that there is something wrong with the carb itself. I like Holleys too and if I had a spare when the time came -- that's probably what would be on there right now. The real point of the rant was the amount of time and money that I, and maybe most of you guys, was willing to waste on a part just because it was a "good deal" :roll: . I think I got lucky on the Caddy Q-jet. It appeared that it had been apart recently and was really clean inside. As an added bonus, the throttle shaft had zero play in it. Hopefully my wasted effort will save someone else some heartache someday.
 
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