Controlling our lives? You mean like how the right wants to not allow a young woman free choice to choose her destiny?? Or how about not allowing two people in love to not marry? Or, how they imprison you with no right to charges and trial? No, I believe you have it backwards. Republicans want to control our lives.
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Sounds like GM (and used cars) are out of the question for you, but just to throw it out there - older Saturn's are great little commuter cars. I bought my 4cyl/5-speed '93 SC1 a few years ago for $1500. It gets 40mpg (driven hard) and I have put over 100K km (now has almost 260K) on it with the only non-wear item replacement part being a waterpump and one rear hub assembly. I could turn around and sell the car for MORE than I paid for it if I wanted to, but I'll drive it until it dies. It was my first FWD car, and first little commuter, but I drive 90km minimum a day and needed something good on gas. I have been so impressed with it, that a year or so back I picked up another low mileage '96 SC1 I found for a good price for when this one finally dies, which (knock on wood) doesn't look like it'll be anytime soon. It's been 1000x better car than the gf's '03 Jetta with it's amazing german engineering 
From my experiences (and a lot of people I know, new cars are no more reliable than a well maintained older vehicle. Seems like people I know with newer cars are always taking them to the dealer for something... warranty or not, it's extremely irritating and time consuming.
Another bonus - no rust! ....so they always look good (I can't stand rust, even on a beater) 😀 For an older car, they also still look quite modern as well IMO... and aren't bad looking at all IMO. Here's the 96:
Like I say - I understand it sounds like you are stuck on non-US new cars, but it sounds like you may be a bit tight for cash and this is a very affordable and reliable option.
From my experiences (and a lot of people I know, new cars are no more reliable than a well maintained older vehicle. Seems like people I know with newer cars are always taking them to the dealer for something... warranty or not, it's extremely irritating and time consuming.Another bonus - no rust! ....so they always look good (I can't stand rust, even on a beater) 😀 For an older car, they also still look quite modern as well IMO... and aren't bad looking at all IMO. Here's the 96:
Like I say - I understand it sounds like you are stuck on non-US new cars, but it sounds like you may be a bit tight for cash and this is a very affordable and reliable option.
Alot of Saturns I have seen always seemed to burn lots of oil and usually had very noisy engines. You are right that they are good cars and the engines never die even though they sound like they are on their last leg.
The twin cam (2 series) engines are known for burning oil, but the single cam engines are usually fine. I have no idea if the twin cam engines are noisy, but my two cars are fine - can hardly hear them running when you are standing next to it. The gf's Jetta is louder at idle and under driving conditions as well. I have no experience with anything other than the first generation design, which (mechanically) lasted until 2002.
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so in other words its ok to kill an innocent person who never had a chance at life, and that you would like to see more gay people who are not in love but in lust roaming the streets? Prove to me thats ok?
sorry to hijack the thread...
I am Pro Life, and feel it in no way limits a woman's choices. She can choose not to have sex, or to use birth control and make the guy wear a condom too for good measure. I have chosen not to have sex outside of marriage because I actually do practice what I preach. If more people did this, there would be less chaos in the world because people would have to take the time to consider the person's other attributes rather than if they are just a good lay. Maybe if people would take the time to develop a personal relationship first, we would not have all the broken homes we do now. Then marriage would not be just a mere formality you do after living together for a while. It would have substance instead and mean something to those investing their lives into the marriage contract.
Oh, and BTW, the argument about abortion has nothing to do with lifestyle choices, it has to do with when life begins. Unless you resolve THAT issue, the rest is irrelevant. If life begins at conception, killing that life is murder. THAT is why I am Pro Life, not because I want to control people.
As for gay marriage, I have less of a problem with that than I do with Abortion. I still don't like it, but it's not my job to make everyone think as I do except in life and death cases like abortion.
Control comes in many forms, like not allowing someone to use the money they earned in legal enterprise as they see fit. Every time a government agency takes over some responsibility for it's citizens, their ability to control that aspect of their lives is partially or wholly taken away. Also, remember that the rich and corporations do not pay taxes, the people who buy from them or work under them pay their taxes for them since these costs are passed on as part of the prices of goods and services. If you raise the minimum wage, the companies with minimum wage employees have to come up with the money somehow, so they raise prices and deflate the value of the currency. Now everyone has less real money to spend. Then, in order to compensate for this, employers must give raises to their non minimum wage employees and those on the bottom are no better off that when they started. On paper, this makes Democrats look "Compassionate", when the reality is that the plight of those at the bottom has not changed one bit. The real problem with poverty, as I have stated before, is the poverty mentality which afflicts those who live on the bottom. They give up and consign themselves to a life of poverty rather than trying to change things. THAT is what needs to be fixed if we are ever to truly elevate the poor. Throwing them the table scraps of those better off than they are does nothing but prolong their misery.
Oh, and BTW, the argument about abortion has nothing to do with lifestyle choices, it has to do with when life begins. Unless you resolve THAT issue, the rest is irrelevant. If life begins at conception, killing that life is murder. THAT is why I am Pro Life, not because I want to control people.
As for gay marriage, I have less of a problem with that than I do with Abortion. I still don't like it, but it's not my job to make everyone think as I do except in life and death cases like abortion.
Control comes in many forms, like not allowing someone to use the money they earned in legal enterprise as they see fit. Every time a government agency takes over some responsibility for it's citizens, their ability to control that aspect of their lives is partially or wholly taken away. Also, remember that the rich and corporations do not pay taxes, the people who buy from them or work under them pay their taxes for them since these costs are passed on as part of the prices of goods and services. If you raise the minimum wage, the companies with minimum wage employees have to come up with the money somehow, so they raise prices and deflate the value of the currency. Now everyone has less real money to spend. Then, in order to compensate for this, employers must give raises to their non minimum wage employees and those on the bottom are no better off that when they started. On paper, this makes Democrats look "Compassionate", when the reality is that the plight of those at the bottom has not changed one bit. The real problem with poverty, as I have stated before, is the poverty mentality which afflicts those who live on the bottom. They give up and consign themselves to a life of poverty rather than trying to change things. THAT is what needs to be fixed if we are ever to truly elevate the poor. Throwing them the table scraps of those better off than they are does nothing but prolong their misery.
I have worked on a few Saturns and will say they are interesting beasts with some logical engineering that makes too much sense not to see elsewhere. (screw on transmission filter!!! Why doesn't anyone else do that?) However, for my old beater shitbox dollar I am partial to 1991-99 Nissan Sentras with the 1.6/5speed as they get 32mpg city with the A/C on ( in my experience). Plus, they are about as rugged as a Frontier. I'm not as strapped for cash as I am for time, which is why a new car makes more sense. If I go with an old car, I'll probably just keep driving the Frontier as I know it inside and out, and I have no guarantees with another older used car that it won't be a lot of trouble. I'll be putting $5,000-$10,000 down on the new car if I do it, so the payments should be easy to deal with. I'm basically playing a big gamble on finishing school and orienting everything in my life towards that goal. Which reminds me... I have to finish my Calculus homework! Damn derivatives... :?
You may not agree with the different issues I brought up, and that's OK. The subject is whether govt should interfere in our personal lives, and the claim was made that Demos interfere, while the facts show Repub interfere. Try to read carefully. And by the way, abortions will, and always have, take place despite you insisting on interefering in our lives. Just keep it straight which party is the govt control party. Bush and Cheney are fascists. Today the news is they want $700 billion with NO OVERSIGHT. You ought to be scared.
I am also scared by the fact that during the last two years Barak Obama has taken more money form Freddie Mac than ANY other politician, and that when Bush and Mc Cain wanted to deal with this mess before it got this far in 2005, Obama voted no, So did Barney Frank (Chair of the Banking Committee) and Chris Dodd who was also on the banking committee and also heavily paid by Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae lobbyists. Or how about the fact that one of Obama's chief financial advisers cooked the books at Freddie Mac and managed to take a $90 million bonus that he was not entitled to? Or that he was fired for the accounting scandal that led up to this?
I will also say that if I do not want a day old baby, should I legally be allowed to throw it in a shredder because it is inconvenient, and it is my "Choice"? That is what you seem to think is meant by freedom. Damn everyone else as long as I can fulfill my selfish sexual desires without consequence, or any sense of responsibility. Maybe too we need to legalize incest in the case of two consenting adults. After all, it's just a lifestyle choice. Why stop there? Why not lower the age of sexual consent to 14, like Ruth Baider Ginsberg wants to do. She was a Clinton appointee to the high court, after all, so she must be right.
As far as restrictions on freedom and Obama goes, try his "National Service" program on for size, or as I like to call it, National Slavery. Everyone in school will be legally required to do 50-100hours of community service each year. That is a HUGE imposition on my freedom, and I want nothing to do with it. I do have to wonder though, if I "volunteer" for this, will I get a nice red arm band or brown shirt to symbolize my allegiance to the "Obama Youth"?
I will also say that if I do not want a day old baby, should I legally be allowed to throw it in a shredder because it is inconvenient, and it is my "Choice"? That is what you seem to think is meant by freedom. Damn everyone else as long as I can fulfill my selfish sexual desires without consequence, or any sense of responsibility. Maybe too we need to legalize incest in the case of two consenting adults. After all, it's just a lifestyle choice. Why stop there? Why not lower the age of sexual consent to 14, like Ruth Baider Ginsberg wants to do. She was a Clinton appointee to the high court, after all, so she must be right.
As far as restrictions on freedom and Obama goes, try his "National Service" program on for size, or as I like to call it, National Slavery. Everyone in school will be legally required to do 50-100hours of community service each year. That is a HUGE imposition on my freedom, and I want nothing to do with it. I do have to wonder though, if I "volunteer" for this, will I get a nice red arm band or brown shirt to symbolize my allegiance to the "Obama Youth"?
on abortion, i have to ask...what about cases of incest or rape? what if the birth control fails? i'm not asking to argue, just curious.
and some people here REALLY need to learn what a fascist actually is. yeah it's an attention getting term, but no one seems to use it correctly.
and some people here REALLY need to learn what a fascist actually is. yeah it's an attention getting term, but no one seems to use it correctly.
now that really DOES sound like germany in the 30's. can you say "hitler youth"?
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