the firestones actually suck pretty bad although i need a new 4x4 vaccuum cable it locked up i usually go to see my buddy steve at reids tires in hamburg or tread city tire in tonawanda86-blk442 said:They're great got em from Jay over at Reids on Seneca. I have about 30k on them and not a whole lot of tread left and still no traction problems they just keep biting. I rarely use 4 wheel with them.