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Hello,
I have a 1982 Monte Carlo body, with a 69' Camaro engine inside. I'm still young and learning about cars so I don't know if that small block Chevy engine is even a step up from my cars original 4.4 liter engine. I want to swap out the engine eventually but do not know what kind of engine to look for or what will fit. I've always loved Monte Carlo's as a kid and would love some advice on how I can upgrade her. I am a noob here and new to the car world so I apologize for any stupid questions! and I also barely know how to use this forum. Thanks for any help or advice!
 
Roman Washington,
First, welcome to a great site, and second, there are no stupid questions (except maybe the question you DON'T ask!). The 4.4L (267 cu. in., V-8) engine is in the small block engine family!

Doug
 
What size is the small block in it now? As far as what will fit, any GM rear wheel drive V6 or V8 engine will go in there some just take more work than others. The easiest swaps are going to be Chevy small or big block. Rebuilding what you have is also an option.
 
What size is the small block in it now? As far as what will fit, any GM rear wheel drive V6 or V8 engine will go in there some just take more work than others. The easiest swaps are going to be Chevy small or big block. Rebuilding what you have is also an option.
Right now there is a 350, 5.7 z28 Camaro engine in it
 
Then you are in the right direction. But before you go droppin cash and selling your soul you must yourself
1. Daily driver? Long drive or short?
2. Weeiend warrior? Taking the car to the drag strip?
3. Long term goals? Pro tour, drag car, road warrior like mad max lol?
4. Can you afford this?
5. Have help and tools or money to pay for parts and someone with half a brain to put them on?
not trying to be a *ss but to many people tear there car apart to find that they have not the money nor patients to build what they want and then they get parted out or sold as project cars or worse junked. If she runs without making you feel she needs major work then drive while you save or get a idea the direction you want to go and gather parts to make it happen. Find other older gear heads to help out and they will help you. This is something lost on todays youth because everyone wants something for free or feel they are owed something. Also just because someone says its a good part,motor or trans know what it is! Dont trust no one! And there are alot of people who will make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside so they can grab your bank. If it seems high walk away. Buy new if you can or again find them ol heads and they can say if its a good deal or not.
Every day driving is different then a drag car or a road racer. Yes you can have a daily driver that will impress at the drag strip and even on a road course but its a compromise. You have to sacrifice to have one or the other. A 350 is a great motor. If it runs pay attention to the worst of the car and focus on that. And save for a rebuild for later or find a motor to rebuild. Just dont get to the point of feeling over whelmed.
Even a nice car with nice paint and sounds great is a winner. And welcome.
 
Then you are in the right direction. But before you go droppin cash and selling your soul you must yourself
1. Daily driver? Long drive or short?
2. Weeiend warrior? Taking the car to the drag strip?
3. Long term goals? Pro tour, drag car, road warrior like mad max lol?
4. Can you afford this?
5. Have help and tools or money to pay for parts and someone with half a brain to put them on?
not trying to be a *ss but to many people tear there car apart to find that they have not the money nor patients to build what they want and then they get parted out or sold as project cars or worse junked. If she runs without making you feel she needs major work then drive while you save or get a idea the direction you want to go and gather parts to make it happen. Find other older gear heads to help out and they will help you. This is something lost on todays youth because everyone wants something for free or feel they are owed something. Also just because someone says its a good part,motor or trans know what it is! Dont trust no one! And there are alot of people who will make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside so they can grab your bank. If it seems high walk away. Buy new if you can or again find them ol heads and they can say if its a good deal or not.
Every day driving is different then a drag car or a road racer. Yes you can have a daily driver that will impress at the drag strip and even on a road course but its a compromise. You have to sacrifice to have one or the other. A 350 is a great motor. If it runs pay attention to the worst of the car and focus on that. And save for a rebuild for later or find a motor to rebuild. Just dont get to the point of feeling over whelmed.
Even a nice car with nice paint and sounds great is a winner. And welcome.
Thanks for the advice!
I only drive it a few days out of the week, and I want to beef her up mostly for weekend drives. I don't have any long term goals for her other than restoring her as much as I can. My dad and brother are both gear heads, but tell me its a big commitment when I mention anything thats not necessary. I have a decent amount of money from every paycheck to put towards parts, and hope to do it pieces at a time so my wife doesn't kill me.
 
Oh crap you said the "w" word. Give up now and save you self the headache. Lol, my wife hates my hobbies because they all cost money and nothing stays stock. Hell I will customize a reloader...ooh I have. But really get a pad and pen. sit down away from your wife, think about what you want to do 1st and lay out a plan to do so. Try sticking with one project. Me? I brought new 17x8's and since I now know I have 6cylinder front springs with coil booster and no sway bar I decided to do my suspension. I brought both front and rear sway bars looking everywhere to save , even if its free shipping it something. I got the eibach lowering pro kit with 10 percent off and free shipping for 230! Then I found a company that sells the rear controll arms with new hardware for 30bucks and 10bucks shipping then anyone else and they look great with what seems like nice welds.then kyb gas-a-just shocks for now but they were 127 and I found a coupon that brought them down to 117 wit free shipping.oh and 40bucks mail in rebate! Oh yea. And I know I will go with bilsteins but for now I know these are better then the leaky and rusty ones I have. So now do I use the steering setup or buy moog and do I just say screw it and get the tubular a arms? Which ones? Why are they so much? So now thats where I stand but I know when I am done other then shocks and maybe the control arm stabilizer bar I will be done with my pro touring setup and I know my car will stick,grip and handle way better then stock and look good. Right now this is my daily driver so any and all work has to be done so 3 days a week I can drive to physical therapy since I was hurt in a accident. 2 of my friend are helping when they can so it slow but hoping by summer end it will have most of it sorted. look for deals and always google for prices and remember ebay isnt alway the best because most sellers are charging retail plus shipping or higher. But some offer retail but free shipping. And ordering online out of your home state is best because of taxes. Any help you might need I will help ya if I can.
 
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Welcome to the site. It sounds like you have a wealth of knowledge in Dad & Bro. Although it's hard they probably know your situation the best in giving advice. This is a great site and a lot helpful info gets exchanged here. Your young and learning, take in everything you can and don't forget to investigate on your own (more input). I'm happy to say that I'm now learning from my son. Chase down the casting numbers on your engine - you might have some good pieces.
 
As stated before, break the restomodification down into workable chunks. Most people would tell you focus on money. I take a different tact. How long will each chunk leave the car dead in the driveway? The longer it sits in everybody's way (and under the watch of the neighbor hood ******* who has the zoning commission on speed dial), the more likely you will pour money and time into a project you'll abandon later, with regret. Don't make the mistake I did and alienate your wife. With luck, she could be persuaded to share your vision, help out, and enjoy the fruits of your labor. And above all, get the car reliably drivable before kids happen. Time and money and support disappear at that point...

Before fixing up the mechanicals, how much body work will be involved? Is the frame rotten? Primer does not hold up long in the sun.

You already have a motor swap done. If it's running OK, then stand back a minute and think about the big picture. One of the last things enthusiastic newbies consider is the transmission. Usually the transmission grenades when you attempt to reuse an old used up one behind a freshly built stout motor. What transmission you will use will be decided by your goals. For a car that will spend most of the time burning gas taking you to destinations, consider a 700-R4 and a 3.08 ring and pinion. These transmissions can be had for $1500 or less, and have a deep first gear to accelerate pickups and Caprice but retain good gas mileage with a 0.70 overdrive. Choose a 1988-1991 production year - strongest internals, and can be run without a computer. With a 26" stock diameter rear tire, this is a really nice combination for general driving. Pairing a 700-R4 with 3.42, 3.73, or 4.10 is OK if you are drag racing, but you'll spin the motor too fast and you'll regret sacrificing mileage for the other 99% of the time. Plus, small block Chevys tend to have an annoying drone at about 2200 RPM, so for long-range trips, try to shoot for 2000 RPM or slightly less. Modern GM V8 cars are typically set up to run in the 1600-1800 RPM range at highway speeds. The next transmission choice down the line is a 200-4R, but they are becoming harder to find, and you need a builder that knows what they are doing. This trans is better choice is you will go to steeper first gears, as it has the same first ratio as a TH350, but a 0.67 overdrive. Rear ratios for this transmission would be 3.23 - 3.73. If you fancy a manual transmission, you have a lot or work ahead of you making this conversion, so I'll wait to hear if you ask more about this path. Either transmission choice in your 82 MC is going to require modifications to the crossmember and driveshaft. If you live outside of emissions land, you can consider an aftermarket dual-hump 'member from Jegs or Summit, or weld up your own. the TH350 mounts you have in your car will need an extension plate or frame rail extended to fit the 200-4R, but the Jegs 700-R4 'member bolted right into my 1980 Malibu. If you motor is running reliably, have everything ready, drop the trans and scrape, clean and paint the center underside of the car, then bolt in the trans. If you planned ahead, your car won't be on jackstands for weeks. Your stock 82 MC driveshat with TH350/TH250 needs about 3" taken out to fit a 700-R4 or 200-4R. With luck you have a driveshaft shop somewhere handy. Get new U-joints, and have the antique balanced. This is adequate for up to 300 HP, beyond that, get a stronger brand new one fabricated.

Steering and front suspension are also neglected areas. There are about $400 worth of ball joints, tie rod ends, control arm bushings, etc. involved. Find a Monte SS steering box with the 12.7/2.5 turns lock-to-lock for a snappier response. This swap requires a Pitman arm from a similar 800-series steering box from a G-body. When you look down at it, the one you want has a square top with four bolts on the perimeter. If you retained your 82 power steering pump on the Camaro motor, then you have the right hose ends in place (have an O-ring at the end).

Rear control arm bushings are another simple improvement, but a shop press is the best way to make this work fast. I cut a piece of 1-1/2" angle iron to fit between the sheetmetal sides of the factory arms, so it didn't collapse when I pressed them out/in. If you will be changing out rear gears, consider getting a second set of control arms and have them all ready to go when you R&R the axle. Same deal with the axle. Consider having another one painted up and ready with the desired gears and positraction. Plan to budget up to $1500 for all this.

I could blather on for hours, but I'll wait for more questions from you first.
 
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Hello & welcome from Toronto, Canada.
Sounds like you have excellent resources at your disposal in your father & brother.
Good luck with the build & show us some pix.
 
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