Obama on the 2nd Amendment

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The Right to Bare Arms was made a long time ago and needs to be modernized. Just like every other thing that has been affected by stupid people doing stupid things the 2nd Amendment needs to be adjusted. It goes to show you how a few people can cause a lot of other people to lose their hobby or their life.

It may not be fair, but it's the right thing to do in order to protect lives. Back when the constitution was written everyone had a gun and people weren't stupid about using them. Now, you got a larger population with people who are depressed and just plain screwed up and feel like taking their lives or others with them.
 
Most guns used in crimes are black market anyways. If they want one, they are gonna get one no matter what. It will also just make the black market for guns that more lucrative of a business. Then you will only dis-arm joe blow.

Through out all of history, people have been disarmed and it has never worked. Nor will it, human beings just cant stop killing one another. Goverments are the best ones at it. Criminals do what they do, and goverments cant always be trusted. So the best thing to do is just even the odds, all across the board.

There are lots of reasons i dont like obama. Alot of its just because I think he is a racist closet commie. Freedom of speech doesnt mean sh*t, unless you got something protecting it.
 
well that article is more propaganda than hard fact but they do have a point.
people want to sue the gun manufacturers for any violent act commited with a gun. do we sue GM because you were getting a blow-job in your car and ran into a bus load of nuns?
on the other side --this is just my opinion obviously---we should have gun registration. if that firearm is used in a crime they should be able to trace it right to the idiot who owns it. why? because either they are the ones who used it, or they didn't keep track of it and are apparently not smart enough to own a weapon.
the 3 day rule is a bunch of bullshit and accomplishes nothing, but it doesn't hurt either.
the constitution doesn't need to be modernized. when you change the law to benefit stupid people, you get stupid behavior. when you make people take responsibility for their actions, you get rational behavior. which is better?
 
Laws are obeyed by law-abiding people!We have enough laws and restrictions on those people.As was stated,criminals will always get guns,laws or not, from homeowners,from stores,from the black market.If 90% of the citizens who own firearms had them taken away,you dont think criminals would love that? Anyone remenber what happened during Katrina,when legal firearms were forcefully taken from homeowners,and there were roving bands of looters with firearms? It was later determened that some cops became looters as well
 
but we're not worried about law abiding, responsible people are we? we're worried about crooks and idiots. if there's no regulation then there's no possibility for punishment. so only those who don't rregister their weapons would be punished. and in reality only those who use it stupidly will get caught. and now they have no excuse.
if you have a black belt in any martial art you are required to register as a lethal weapon, so why aren't you required to register a gun?
 
If anything, the second amendment needs to become more liberalized in it's interpretation to get more guns on the streets. I want my government to cower in fear at the possibility of a pissed off populace rising up against them should they become to tyrannical. This is not to say I am proposing armed revolution here, things are nowhere near that bad. I just want lawmakers to think more fearfully about the negative consequences of adding too many restrictions to individual liberty, like higher taxes and new government agencies. The right to bear arms is the ultimate check on governmental authority. That being said, I do not own, nor do I wish to own a gun of any kind ( except maybe an AK-47. I really want to take one apart and see how it works!). I have no need of one, but I want the option to be there should I ever change my mind.

Let's not forget who the first politician was that required gun registration-Adolf Hitler. He used it as information as to who to confiscate guns from. All threats to liberty in democratic nations start off as fairly innocuous policies which then evolve into tyranny. A tyranny of the masses is, after all, still tyranny. Plus, most of the people who wish to abridge the right to bear arms are white, middle class suburbanite pricks with no concept of the lives of people who live in different situations, such as rural areas which are not heavily policed, or inner city neighborhoods that are so dangerous the police avoid them. There are reasons to need a gun for self-protection. And frankly, far more people die in car accidents every year than from gunshot wounds. However, very few people want to ban cars ( ironically, it's usually the same people who want to ban guns...).

Don't forget also that Hitler and Obama both ran on political platforms of egalitarian populism, claiming to want to do away with class distinctions, etc. I AM NOT SAYING OBAMA IS A GENOCIDAL MANIAC!!! What I am saying is look at the other policies of the National Socialists (Try to Ignore "The Final Solution" and see what else they stood for) and you will see some surprising parallels. The Nazis were environmentalists, believed in socialist policies, national health care ( which included euthanasia for those taking up too much money), claimed to be "restoring" national pride and prestige, believed in new infrastructure, etc. There are also parallels with Marxism, which makes sense since Fascism, Socialism and Marxist-Communism are all left wing political movements. They vary in the degree of economic and political freedom though.
 
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but we're not worried about law abiding, responsible people are we? we're worried about crooks and idiots. if there's no regulation then there's no possibility for punishment. so only those who don't rregister their weapons would be punished. and in reality only those who use it stupidly will get caught. and now they have no excuse.
if you have a black belt in any martial art you are required to register as a lethal weapon, so why aren't you required to register a gun?

That defeats the whole original point of the 2nd amendment. It was to defend the populace from tyranical goverments. Stopping criminals was just a bonus.

Creating gun registration, gives that goverment, all the info on who has what. So if willing, they can come and take them at their leisure. It would also only help in solving crimes if they actually find the gun. If the serial number is ground off it wouldnt do much good.
 
Plus, most guns used in violent crimes are not obtained legally. Not everyone has an impregnable way of storing a firearm. Plus, what is secure? Any form of security devised by man can be defeated by another, more determined man. I am not saying people should not store firearms with extreme care to avoid as much as possible allowing them to get into the hands of children or criminals, but mistakes are going to happen. There is no law that can really insure anything 100%, and that is the problem I have with the white middle class suburbanite pricks. They want guarantees of security and safety that simply are impossible to enact without a totalitarian state, and even then it would not be 100% effective. Do I want an end to all wars and violence? Yes, but not everyone does. Peace and love are wonderful platitudes but not a practical reality given the panoply of personalities that the whole range of human experience represents.
 
let'em have guns. anyone can have a gun.
keeps 2nd amendment intact.

regulate bullets or gun powder.
 
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