olds 350 cam question

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snotrocket71

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me and my brother have decided that instead of selling my 87 which i've gotten way too attached to we're going to make it into his first car. we have a basic plan for it already: Headers (ceramic hedmans), summit mini starter, derale 4000cfm electric fans, performer intake (have had it laying around), dual hump crossmember with true duals, rebuilt non CC Q-jet and non CC distributor with the MSD coil, cap, rotor and wires that i recently put on the 307, along with swapping the pulley set up from the 307 to the 350 and if money allows we'd like a 3.73 rear of some type and we'll run the stock 2004r as long as possible. the question we've been going back and forth on was whether or not to swap the cam in it, its a stock 2 barrel 71 350 with 8.5 to 1 cmopression on a good day with 93,000 miles on it, 20,000 with me driving it not beating on it. i was always satisfied with the power in my heavier 71 with headers and a better ignition. so whats everyones opinion on a cam swap? do you guys think its worth it? it will be driven daily except in winter. budgets the big issue, i'm helping him out as best i can but still have a long list of to do's on my 71, i figure i'm pretty much giving it to him (it'll be under my name and insurance he'll just drive it) so he'll pay for the parts and we do all the work ourselves. sorry for being so long winded with this, any input or thoughts would be really appreciated, thank you.
 
The cam is the heart of the engine and can make a huge difference, but in this situation, I say no. First car/budget/etc... Not really worth it. That engine will feel great with what you plan, cam would be icing, but not really worth spending the money on in your situation to me. :wink:
 
i'm more conservative when it comes to things than my brother so the cam swap wasnt something i really wanted to do so i thought i'd run it by people who would know better than me. i vividly remember how much fun it was in my 71 with just the 2 barrel, headers, th350 with a shift kit and 2.56 rear so i figure in a lighter, nimbler car with way better gears and the before mentioned bolt ons it should be a blast to drive. i dont want him to have too much power anyways, he's more reckless than me and i wouldnt want to see him get hurt or wreck the car because he was goofing off.
 
I agree to just leave it alone. When I swapped the 350 into my 442 I went with a big cam and now I'm kind of kicking myself for it. I daily drive my car when its not snowing and driveability has suffered a little from it. On the other hand, bigger cams do give it a pretty mean sound haha.

http://s613.photobucket.com/albums/tt21 ... I_1489.mp4
 
86-blk442 said:
I agree to just leave it alone. When I swapped the 350 into my 442 I went with a big cam and now I'm kind of kicking myself for it. I daily drive my car when its not snowing and driveability has suffered a little from it. On the other hand, bigger cams do give it a pretty mean sound haha.

http://s613.photobucket.com/albums/tt21 ... I_1489.mp4

It definetly sounds mean in your video! i tend to lean towards the conservative end of things so if the day were to come it gets a full rebuild it will get a not so crazy cam, i'm more worried about enjoying my cars and driving all over in them than i am with how lound and ponounced my cam is that was my logic with my big block but i left alot of room to improve with it. that is a beautiful car by the way! was it a new york car its whole life? everything in new york (upstate and downstate) seems beat to hell, in my experiences at least.
 
you have the specs on your cam 86? I'm planning on a cam swap, if you ever want to go back to a stockish cam, maybe we could trade? Mine has a Crane in it, not sure on specs, but not a lot better than stock.
 
Go small, if you upgrade. The 83-85 307 HO or smog 455 would be a perfect upgrade for a low compression 350.
 
if he really wants a cam i would go with an rv cam just give it a lil more bang for the buck,or if he wants that big cam sound i would go with a thumper cam they sound like a big cam but u still get great street manners
 
if i ever rebuilt the motor the cam would definetly be on the small side because like i said i dont want to sacrifice the ability to drive where ever when ever i want, not much more than a generic 204/214 cam like the edelbrock, melling, etc. i did consider the vin 9/455 cam idea seems nice and mild. this isnt really our hot rod, more like the nice highway/long trip cruiser that you'd take a hot date out with or cruise in the summer with the t-tops off... so many good memories in that car...
 
Here is what I would do with your goals & motor etc.

1. Have your salvage yard do a salvage yards computer search for a gbody MCSS whole rear ie drum to drum. It will be either a 3.42 or 3.73 and may or may not come with a posi. You can also check all the gbody forums as there is like 6 to 8 large forums that I know of. Also Craigs list and carparts.com. Between these you will find one for a good price/deal.

It is usually the cheapest easiest & overall most idiot proofed way to do it. You can swap it out yourself no need for a shop, special tools, shims, & knowhow like changing the actual gears. You should still change the fluid.

2. Get CKPerformance.com 's excellent shift kit. (About $100ish package price) 12" 2,800 stall lock up torque converter ($299) lock up switch, & speedometer gear. (for your rear gear change) Make sure you get with your shift kit what you need to change WOT shift point to 5,200 rpm or at minimum 4,800 rpm. You should have like a 4,400 WOT shift point now.

3. Get electric fans from a salvage yard. Do a search on here there are several good ones. You will also want to upgrade / replace your altenator and make sure you have a good ground as well.

4. Use your performer intake as well as the rest of the stuff you have. Get a 4bbl Q-jet carberator. It will get better mileage & performance than the two barrel. Have a Q-jet shop / specialist get you the carb or rebuild yours and have them put the right jets and hangers in for your engine cam & rear gear ratio. A little shopping on the net and you can get this done very reasonably without the hassel frustration and learning curve of trying to do it yourself. IMO

5. Headers are a good bang for the buck. You don't have to ceramic coat but ounce of prevention is truly a pound of of cure here. At least sand off the junk factory paint that they put on just to keep them from rusting before they get to you. Spray them with several coats of good header paint. Make sure that at least between the first and second coat to let them dry / cure a full day before adding the second coat. Also get good gaskets and throw any junk gaskets that may come with the headers away. I recommend http://www.remflex.com gaskets and they will not leak, burn out, and you won't need to periodically re-tighten your header bolts. The extra time & minimal expense to do it right the first time is way easier than the headaches cost & time of doing it over. Mini starter only if you want / need to for easier header install.

Iceman has cheap & easy dual hump crossmember. Add an easy inexpensive H pipe. Usually about 8 to 10" back from header collectors. Maybe buy a Summit or other Header back system. Cheap Summit or other "straight thru" type mufflers. The largest case that will fit will give you the best flow without being too loud. The H pipe and tail pipes will keep the sound down and no drone or excessive noise like Flowmasters. Best bang for your performance buck and great sound. Naturally if you prefer the patented flowmaster sound and don't mind a little more restriction / flow loss or cruise drone and or want the loudest use flowmasters with turndowns.

6. I would do a cam & lifters kit AND get new performance springs with them. Your factory springs were too weak when new let alone now via age as much as mileage. They would suck bad with a new cam. My pick would be Lunati Voodoo 60801LK http://www.lunatipower.com. Lunati says this is the BEST cam choice for a daily driven street performance 350. It is an Oldsmobile specific cam and not an outdated leaves much to be desired generic grind. This is a lot less cam than 86 Black 442 is useing in his car. It is also well suited for your low compression 71 engine. You could get away with another bump up with your converter and gears but honestly this would be my pick for your overall car & goals.

This car will be fun run & sound great and can still get good mileage. It won't be dangerously fast just a fun reliable enjoyable driver. Probably with decent traction a solid 14 second car.
 
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