i put fatmat in my car 2 years ago an has been out in the weather ever sense then. Ive yet to have any come unstuck from the heat, but there was a slight odor at first but went away. i would definitely recommend it, but that's just me.
Sound deadening?
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Jack,
Are you talking about the window run channel? Essentially the channel the window rides in to keep it straight going up or down? Well, we only need to worry about the front doors. Several months ago a guy was selling two run channels from a wagon in Iowa on eBay. Not having mine unpacked yet, I bought the pieces for about twenty dollars. Stuff is perfect.
That said, GM doesn't deviate too far from model to model on the internal hardware. If you have a local restoration shop, a guy could ask somebody that works there to look at some run channel for a 70-72 Chevelle, maybe even a 78-87 CK pickup. That stuff is all repopped these days. I'm guessing it's not too far off and no one will ever see it. I don't have that luxury and is the reason why I end up buying stuff I don't need (yet), to make it work or save it for another day.
Just dumb luck on my part, but when I originally started working the car over several years ago, I ordered all the GM weather-strips. I have four boxes that I haven't opened yet or deciphered the part numbers to determine exactly what I have.
I guarantee that was dumb luck, there’s no way I can shoot that straight. I attached a photo of what the inside of the G-Body Wagon doors look like. When I clicked on the photo, it got a lot bigger. Maybe it will help someone.
Scott, ...:arrow: :arrow: :arrow: 8)
Are you talking about the window run channel? Essentially the channel the window rides in to keep it straight going up or down? Well, we only need to worry about the front doors. Several months ago a guy was selling two run channels from a wagon in Iowa on eBay. Not having mine unpacked yet, I bought the pieces for about twenty dollars. Stuff is perfect.
That said, GM doesn't deviate too far from model to model on the internal hardware. If you have a local restoration shop, a guy could ask somebody that works there to look at some run channel for a 70-72 Chevelle, maybe even a 78-87 CK pickup. That stuff is all repopped these days. I'm guessing it's not too far off and no one will ever see it. I don't have that luxury and is the reason why I end up buying stuff I don't need (yet), to make it work or save it for another day.
Just dumb luck on my part, but when I originally started working the car over several years ago, I ordered all the GM weather-strips. I have four boxes that I haven't opened yet or deciphered the part numbers to determine exactly what I have.
I guarantee that was dumb luck, there’s no way I can shoot that straight. I attached a photo of what the inside of the G-Body Wagon doors look like. When I clicked on the photo, it got a lot bigger. Maybe it will help someone.
Scott, ...:arrow: :arrow: :arrow: 8)
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Scott,
The window run channel is precisely what I mean. All I've seen available are pieces by length...8' or so. A few guys suggested making a pie cut, or mitre cut in the corners, and bond them with an adhesive, or rubber cement.
I'm sure that the OEM molded channel are NLA.
Here's what I've been looking at. http://www.dannoenterprises.com/flexchnl.htm
In this case, you pretty much have to match the profile of the channels, which isn't too difficult.
Thanks for posting the illustrated parts breakdown. It doesn't indicate the run channels, but does indicate the inner and outer wipe strips.
As for stock piling parts that you know you'll need down the road. That's the best method, rather than wait until you're up to that part of assembly, and then you have to order it in a rush.
My one regret is that I didn't order much of these parts when they were still available from the General.
The window run channel is precisely what I mean. All I've seen available are pieces by length...8' or so. A few guys suggested making a pie cut, or mitre cut in the corners, and bond them with an adhesive, or rubber cement.
I'm sure that the OEM molded channel are NLA.
Here's what I've been looking at. http://www.dannoenterprises.com/flexchnl.htm
In this case, you pretty much have to match the profile of the channels, which isn't too difficult.
Thanks for posting the illustrated parts breakdown. It doesn't indicate the run channels, but does indicate the inner and outer wipe strips.
As for stock piling parts that you know you'll need down the road. That's the best method, rather than wait until you're up to that part of assembly, and then you have to order it in a rush.
My one regret is that I didn't order much of these parts when they were still available from the General.
Jack,
I went back and looked in the catalog just for reference. Obviously, all the rubber with the exception of tidbits is long gone. I did find a reference to Channel, Window Glass, Stationary, number 15 when looking at the rear door hardware. Not sure why it doesn't show it on the front doors. Can't get it anyway so I suppose it's a moot point.
Anyway, so I posted a couple of additional photos for thought starters. With that I'll revert back to the comment I made yesterday about how the General doesn't typically deviate too much on some of this stuff from model to model.
Yes, Now that you've made me aware of this little issue, I'm in birddog mode. ... :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: 8)
Scott
ssbrewskyaz
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I went back and looked in the catalog just for reference. Obviously, all the rubber with the exception of tidbits is long gone. I did find a reference to Channel, Window Glass, Stationary, number 15 when looking at the rear door hardware. Not sure why it doesn't show it on the front doors. Can't get it anyway so I suppose it's a moot point.
Anyway, so I posted a couple of additional photos for thought starters. With that I'll revert back to the comment I made yesterday about how the General doesn't typically deviate too much on some of this stuff from model to model.
Yes, Now that you've made me aware of this little issue, I'm in birddog mode. ... :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: 8)
Scott
ssbrewskyaz
New River, Arizona
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Seeing how you disassembled your car down to the nitty gritty. I figured I would approach the subject of the window run channel and what you were planning on using to replace them.
Fortunately,I held onto my old original petrified pieces in order to match them up. You did bring up a few interesting thoughts regarding the use of later truck channels. Even though the material itself could be a match, the dimensions would be different from vehicle to vehicle.
There was a time I was still able to find nice pliable reusable channels. Nowadays, it's nearly impossible to find good used rubber parts...unless the car was always garaged and hadn't been left outdoors over the years.
Seeing how you disassembled your car down to the nitty gritty. I figured I would approach the subject of the window run channel and what you were planning on using to replace them.
Fortunately,I held onto my old original petrified pieces in order to match them up. You did bring up a few interesting thoughts regarding the use of later truck channels. Even though the material itself could be a match, the dimensions would be different from vehicle to vehicle.
There was a time I was still able to find nice pliable reusable channels. Nowadays, it's nearly impossible to find good used rubber parts...unless the car was always garaged and hadn't been left outdoors over the years.
You're right, all that stuff is out of my car for the time being but I did save all the original crap I took off. For me, Rule number One when restoring/rebuilding a car is nothing gets thrown away until the car is done. Saved my bacon many times.
Without beating this to death Jack, the point I was making by posting the photos of a Malibu Wagon and a Caprice Wagon is that if you look at the two cars, with the exception of the rear glass being longer, both cars look nearly identical from the front door to the rear door.
I ordered a Caprice rear door run channel from GM yesterday. No, of course they're not all available, one front door and one rear door still left only and VPI has three of the front door at their inflated price. It was forty bucks my cost from the General, a price I'm willing to pay to satisfy my curiosity.
Scott, ... :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: 8)
Without beating this to death Jack, the point I was making by posting the photos of a Malibu Wagon and a Caprice Wagon is that if you look at the two cars, with the exception of the rear glass being longer, both cars look nearly identical from the front door to the rear door.
I ordered a Caprice rear door run channel from GM yesterday. No, of course they're not all available, one front door and one rear door still left only and VPI has three of the front door at their inflated price. It was forty bucks my cost from the General, a price I'm willing to pay to satisfy my curiosity.
Scott, ... :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: 8)
Scott,
I kind of figured when you had both types of wagons pictured, that you were in fact indicating the similarities of both cars.. and that the run channels could very well be close in size or a dead-on fit. The doors do look very close in size.
I would be curious of your findings when the part arrives from GM.
You're right about not throwing stuff away until the car is completed. The pieces of run channel that I have are nothing more than pieces. When I removed them from my replacement doors, they were so brittle that there was no way I'd be able to remove them in one piece. However, I still also have my rusty old doors which are still intact, and a source for extra hardware and odds and ends.
I kind of figured when you had both types of wagons pictured, that you were in fact indicating the similarities of both cars.. and that the run channels could very well be close in size or a dead-on fit. The doors do look very close in size.
I would be curious of your findings when the part arrives from GM.
You're right about not throwing stuff away until the car is completed. The pieces of run channel that I have are nothing more than pieces. When I removed them from my replacement doors, they were so brittle that there was no way I'd be able to remove them in one piece. However, I still also have my rusty old doors which are still intact, and a source for extra hardware and odds and ends.
Hey Jack,
Hope to have that run channel question answered this weekend. Should finally have the front pieces I ordered to compare with the one OE Malibu piece I have. Taken me a while, ordered a rear and then realized I didn't have an OE Malibu piece to compare it to. Duh.
Scott. ... :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: 8)
ssbrewskyaz
Hope to have that run channel question answered this weekend. Should finally have the front pieces I ordered to compare with the one OE Malibu piece I have. Taken me a while, ordered a rear and then realized I didn't have an OE Malibu piece to compare it to. Duh.
Scott. ... :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: 8)
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