Thinking About A Sportbike Engine Swap in a Car...

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This is a pure brainstorming thread, but anyone with some ideas is welcome to join in. I have been thinking about rebuilding an older microcar like a East German Trabant (Or a Mini) for use as a driver, but am stumped about how to power it. Now, a stock Trabant has a 27hp 2 stroke engine, and the car weighs 1355lbs. The engine is extremely light and can be removed by simply bending over and picking it up-no hoist needed. So, to not completely screw up the weight distribution, the replacement engine also needs to be light. Now, the best power density per pound usually comes in sportbike engines, like the GSXR or Hayabusa. Problem is, they come with transmissions that have no reverse gear. Also, the car's transmission is in no way able to handle the power of the big bike engine. Now, you may be thinking that a bike engine has no torque and would not be well suited to powering a car. However, the car is very light and would not need much torque to get it moving. So, given all that, and the retention of front wheel drive as to not lose foot space in the tiny Commie car, what do you do? What bike's engine is the best fit for the job? Ideally, it would have a separate transmission that is not part of the engine casting so that an adapter could be made to adapt it to a automotive 5 speed manual gear box.
 
crappycutlass said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtDTG18MxIs

The sound that thing makes at the top of whatever gear it was hitting is just amazing! It's like an F-1 car.

Cheapest bike engine choice I have found so far is about $850 for a running 750cc bike with all the plastic pieces stripped off of it. I it was a mid 90's GSXR 750, which makes 118hp in an engine that weighs about 130lbs. With that small displacement, it probably would get decent fuel mileage around town. Because, oh yes... It's gonna be a pizza delivery car... :twisted:
 
A classic mini cooper is a good choice. They put Honda Vtec's into them and they are fast. I heard of one running 9's.

www.minimania.com/minitec_vtec_mini_cooper

One guy was attempting to put 2 Hayabusa turbo engines, one on each side, in the back of a Fiero but I can't seem to find the link anymore.


GO WITH THE MINI!!!!!!!! LOL!!!
 
My only issue with the Mini is the cost. They are far more expensive to get than a Trabi, and are a bit smaller. The cheapest rust bucket Mini is still $4,000 in this country, and I could probably bring in 4 or 5 Trabants for the same money. Plus, the body of the Mini is rusty Birtish steel, and the body of the Trabant is Duroplast-think fiberglass made with cotton and wool fibers instead of glass fibers. Also, the Trabants body, quarters, roof and all, bolts to the steel structure, so it's easier to work on.

PS: The original Mini is on my list of all time favorite cars, I really want one with a Honda B16 VTEC in it, but it is going to cost too much.
 
i watched a vid of top gear and communist cars... i can seriously see you valid points to the cool factor of these cars... i LOVE em... i woud love to get one here...
 
I did that kind of parking lot fun my gbodys but can't immagine doing a little of that at speed with the tall short wheelbase. Naturally with a gbody it takes a healthy v8 & some gears. I would not do small displacement bike engine. I would do at least 1,100cc.
 
Well, the Hayabusa makes 197hp in a 140lb engine, and has 1300+cc's. However, torque is a liability in such a beast, not an asset, so eliminating low end torque is a good thing. The car does not have enough weight to plant the tires on launch (1350lbs stock), and excess torque would make it less controllable. There are just so many wonderful variables to consider here (remember: this is more brainstorming than something I can do right now). Would you put the engine up front, driving the front wheels, or maybe mid mounted driving the back? I think the second option would yield a more controllable car, so I will discuss it here. Oh, and a Trabant is shorter (height) than a Smart Fortwo with a longer wheelbase, so it would be a bit more controllable. Plus, the roof is Duraplast, not metal, so the center of gravity could be kept low. The engine would low mount in the chassis, and a flat gas tank could be placed low in the car (under the hood or trunk floor, wherever it needs to be for balance), thus keeping most of the mechanical weight at about seat bottom level. Another neat thing about this car is that the front suspension, etc. all bolts to a detachable subframe, like a 1966 Chevy II. When fabricating the replacement subframe and suspension, it could be TIG welded from aluminum to cut another 20-40lbs off the nose. Ideally, the car would have a perfect 50/50 weight distribution when finished. The issue of a cooling system needs also to be addressed, as if it were mid engined, a helper pump would be needed inline with the cooling system. Additionally, lines would need to run under the car to get coolant from the former engine bay to the engine behind the front seats.The lines would be finned, to take advantage of the air passing over them to add additional radiator area. Now you could run a radiator next to the engine behind the front seats, and to the side, similar to a Fiat 850. It would get air from a tunnel under the car, and the whole engine area could be covered with a metal cover that would have sound insulation on it, like a Crown V8 conversion for a Corvair. Then we come to the issue of more power. Of course, 200hp in a 1350lb car is a little on the weak side. What it would really need is a turbo and intercooler for around 300hp, or roughly the equivalent of a 700hp G body in terms of power to weight ratio. But, where to mount the intercooler? A front mount in a "Pac Man" configuration with the radiator would be a good use of space, but would add too much tubing. It could draw air from under the car to keep a stock silhouette too. Oh, I forgot one detail: The quarter panels are not integral to the car's structure like most unibody cars. They unbolt like a Saturn. So, they could be hinged up to gain more access to the drivetrain if needed.

I will also add that should I actually go through with building such a beast, anyone who wants to help build it would be more than welcome. I figure there should be at least a few people as crazy as me who would just like to participate in building such a beast.
 
Not sure if you know this but Honda's big gold wings have reverse. They simply run the starter backwards so they can get turned around in a parking lot or up a hill. I'm not sure if you could do it with a busa. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWUcZXAHQ8I Now heres something with a little power to weight ratio ...... issues! Traction problems as well! Giggles? I cant stop laughing!! :twisted:
 
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