What Car Do You Love to Hate?

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For those who hate the Prius, I offer this clip from the BBC program Top Gear. Yes, the host is an *ss, but I so want to do this to every single Prius on the road-most with their owners still inside...:lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdwRhYjio8Y
 
Tony_SS said:
85 Cutlass Brougham said:
sbcCuttY said:
yeah they should make a rear wheel drive new school monte..

I think you will be pleasantly surprised in a year or two. GM is planning on a RWD Impala and Monte based on the same platform as the new Camaro and Pontiac G8.

Nope, no new Monte. They are supposed to do the Impala RWD but no more Monte since they don't want any 2 door coupes to compete with the Camaro.

If this is true thats possibly the dumbest thing Ive ever heard. Your only outcome would be making more money.
Im not going to buy the new camaro. However if they came out with a new Monte in RWD, i would consider it. The newest monte carlos were selling pretty, good. I see them everywhere. The sales would probably increase by half if it was just RWD. Now if they made it look more like the older ones, it would sale like hotcakes.
 
It's GM, of course it doesn't make any sense! They have so many rules about not competing against itself that it keeps the company from ever making anything people actually would buy. Not everyone would want a RWD Monte, but enough people would that it would be profitable. I don't really like Camaros, but I would like a new Monte as it is along the lines of the kind of car I want in a domestic. Coupe that seats 5, decent trunk, rwd and a V8. I couldn't afford one but that's beside the point. Right now, the last car that I really liked the looks of was the BMW 330ci. The last generation one before BMW butchered the styling to meet Euro-NCAP pedestrian protection requirements.
 
STLRegal said:
Tony_SS said:
85 Cutlass Brougham said:
sbcCuttY said:
yeah they should make a rear wheel drive new school monte..

I think you will be pleasantly surprised in a year or two. GM is planning on a RWD Impala and Monte based on the same platform as the new Camaro and Pontiac G8.

Nope, no new Monte. They are supposed to do the Impala RWD but no more Monte since they don't want any 2 door coupes to compete with the Camaro.

If this is true thats possibly the dumbest thing Ive ever heard. Your only outcome would be making more money.
Im not going to buy the new camaro. However if they came out with a new Monte in RWD, i would consider it. The newest monte carlos were selling pretty, good. I see them everywhere. The sales would probably increase by half if it was just RWD. Now if they made it look more like the older ones, it would sale like hotcakes.

GM has been known to do that sort of thing, actually. For some reason, GM spends a lot of time trying not to compete with itself. Perfect example being how they've hobbled their other high-performance cars (coughcoughTrans Amcoughcough) because they were afraid it'd out perform (and/or outsell) their Corvette golden child. They've put so much into hyping up this new Camaro that they would do anything they could to prevent the sales from slumping.

GM doesn't see it as "more money in total"; they see it as "fewer Camaros sold".

AJ
 
You would think a company would like competing with itself. In the end you will always be making money off your top selling car. But like you guys said its GM.
 
Yeah, GM has always done stupid things. Back in the 60's GM had corporate engine size limits and power to weight limits imposed on it's cars. The original GTO was technically illegal because intermediates were supposed to be limited to 326ci engines so that people who wanted a faster car would be forced to buy a more expensive full size. GM made mulit-carb engines illegal in 1967 except for the Corvette, reasoning that the GTO 389 tri-power would compete with the 427 Corvette. The supercharged 3.8 in GM's mid sized cars were essentialy limited in the 90's because GM would not allow anyone but Cadillac to have the better transmission. They didn't want internal competition to Caddy's claim of having the world's most powerful FWD car. Unfortunately for GM, their competition never refuses to compete with their products. In the past, they had the best stylists and it helped sell their cars, but today the Japanese and Germans have typically made the best-looking cars in their respective segments--not GM. Plus, GM's interiors are just plain horrible. Switches, controls, ergonomics and materials are all near the bottom in their respective classes. When I road tested the S-10 and the Frontier back in 1998, the interior was one of the strong selling points for the Nissan over the Chevy. It didn't feel cheap, the switches all felt substantial and well built, etc.
 
One thing I never could understand:

Why did GM allow each division to produce it's own engines? Heck, Ford and Chrysler all standardized on engines way back. Why 2 different 5.0L clean up to 1990 (SBC and Olds)? Why 4 different 350s up into the late 70s?

Toyota and their LEAN manufacturing would NEVER allow for such thing.
 
It never made sense to me either. It may have been to give each division it's own distinct flavor or part of GM's bid to not fall victim to the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. GM is, to steal from Winston Churchill, "...a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma". Of course he was speaking of the Soviet Union, but I think it fits here too.

GM is not Toyota. It has it's own corporate culture that has nothing to do with logic or efficiency. It is so top heavy with bureaucracy that any changes that need to be made take so long that it can never adapt to the market. Couple that with the UAW's unwillingness to adjust to market conditions and you have a recipe for disaster. The SBC is a good engine in many ways, but why, oh why was it used in production models for 45 years? The only car companies that moved slower were the British-and we see what happened to them. They produced the same exact car for 41 years-the Mini- with the same engine-BMC A series- and it was an even older design than the SBC! ( It dated to the Morris Minor of 1952)

An unwillingness to adapt to new market needs and build well-engineered products kills companies. GM it seems adds new features and technologies to check off a box on a list of components with little though as to how well they actually work. GM Diesels are one example, the original Corvette IRS is another. The original Corvette IRS had awful geometry but was used as it was perceived to be necessary to compete in the market against it's rivals from Europe, such as Jaguar's XKE and the Ferrari 250GTO.

GM also fails to innovate well. The company has been scared to do so since the Corvair debacle, and when they have the products were not well-vetted enough that they should have gone to market in the first place. The Vega's aluminum engine is one example. Instead of using steel or Iron liners like they had in the Corvair and Buick 215, the left them aluminum and iron plated the pistons. Innovative? Sure! Did it actually work? NO! Yet, they made that engine for 7 years and it was the car they expected to be their import fighter. Against competition like the Corolla and 510 it was no match. The Datsun used a high nickel Iron block, forged rods and a forged crank. It gained a reputation for durability that it still is known for today. I know nothing of the Corolla, but I am sure it is a similarly good design. OK, so at least it's replacement was better-right? Not exactly. The Chevette was slow and poorly built. The next generation car was the Citation which....was also a piece of crap. They later re-used the Citation mechanicals and made such lovely cars as the Cavalier and Celebrity ummmm.....yeah. Compared to a Toyota or Honda of the time, they were crude, unrefined cars with too much NVH.

So, in order for GM to gain a market foothold again, it will need to re-think everything. It's whole business model needs to be rethought, and developing good, reliable products capable of being abused with good build quality must be it's top priority. They must not only be good, they need to be exceptional. Otherwise, people like me will not change our purchasing habits and buy new GM cars again rather than the quality Japanese products we are now used to.
 
"The next generation car was the Citation which....was also a piece of crap."
Oh yes, that was a quality product 😛
This was a little reminder of the day when my brother's Shitation took a dump on I-90 around the Chicago loop on a 90 degree summer day back in 1985. Right up there on the top 10 worst days of my life :lol:

-UT-
 
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