Have Electric Cars finally killed muscle cars???

Mikej89

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It makes me so sad and I know it's been a long time coming..... Must've been fun back in 1979 to actually build up a 327 small block to 400hp with your friends in the garage and beating 99% of new cars on the road. Nowadays why bother? A new Tesla does 0-60 in like 3 sec. I know a lot of you guys are thinking "yeah, what do you expect things change?" Well it's easy to say that when you used to sneak out dad's '70 442 back in 1993 and beat up on all the rich kids with 5.0 Mustangs......

I know I'm ranting but it just makes me sad how things have finally changed. Progress is a good thing but being born in 1989 I really missed a lot of the fun if you know what I mean....
 
It makes me so sad and I know it's been a long time coming..... Must've been fun back in 1979 to actually build up a 327 small block to 400hp with your friends in the garage and beating 99% of new cars on the road. Nowadays why bother? A new Tesla does 0-60 in like 3 sec. I know a lot of you guys are thinking "yeah, what do you expect things change?" Well it's easy to say that when you used to sneak out dad's '70 442 back in 1993 and beat up on all the rich kids with 5.0 Mustangs......

I know I'm ranting but it just makes me sad how things have finally changed. Progress is a good thing but being born in 1989 I really missed a lot of the fun if you know what I mean....
i was born in 92, i feel the exact same way. Not only electric, but the fact that engines are getting smaller and putting out more and more power thanks large in part to almost everything being turbocharged, or the fact that cars have like 30 speed transmissions lol either way, doesnt matter to me. teslas and the little 4 banger turbo cars might have lots of power but theres nothing like getting in a 70s or 80s car and turning the key. I actually like to think the way what youre describing went, actually has made muscle cars and even just older cars in general all that more desirable and alive
 
After what I saw on the news this morning it's not just able to be blamed on EV's, the US is now making it that in 2026 MPG average is being pushed to 49 MPG so how many muscle cars are going to pull that off with out the gas guzzler tax/fine. I still don't think the technology is up to par for the dreams & wishes of those who "guide" in this world.
 
To answer your topic question- not yet. EV's in the big scheme of things are not a huge sector of the driving public. Growing? Yes. But it's not as hugely popular as they would like it to be. I don't care what the tree-huggers say, the motoring public just isn't that hyped about EVs. Of course, that won't matter because the auto makers got duped and are "all in" on developing EVs, so much to the point they're abandoning gas powered vehicles for future plans. Talk about the Raw New Deal.

Here's one kicker for you...Cadillac is going all-electric by 2030 and have promised they will not unveil any new ICE cars anymore at car show events. Which is retarded since their current lineup of cars have ICEs. They're asking Cadillac dealers to upgrade their dealerships on THEIR OWN DIME (millions of $) to be able to support Cadillac EV servicing or risk losing Cadillac support. THEN they will reimburse dealerships. Our local Caddy dealer said hey GM...F.U. Their dealer lot is virtually empty of 2022 cars and trucks. How are they going to generate the funds to modify their dealership when GM won't build any cars because they're out of chips? So they're no longer going to be selling Cadillacs. Practically not selling any now. They even took an ad out in the paper to explain the move, it's that sad. Soon, the nearest Cadillac dealer will be about 50 minute drive away.

Just because you can now drive a Tyco slot car on the road, doesn't mean it's going to be more exciting. For one, it'll probably take you longer to get across country right now than it would in a comparable gas model.

Muckity Mucks that are pushing the EV technology completely lose sight of the fact that the current electrical grid status simply cannot, and will not, support a mass exodus from fossil fuel cars right away. And even if it could, you'll see that $12 recharge triple or more just to have a charging station due to the supply and demand shift, inflation, and other factors. I mean, no big deal, right, they're only on average $60K to get behind the wheel of an EV. Then it'll cost you at least 1/3 of the price of gas to "fill up". The current EV "tax break" incentive of 7700 or whatever it is just isn't enough anymore.

Change is inevitable. But when it's a forced change, it's never as good as an organic change that people actually and truly want. Financially incentivizing or de-centivizing the behavior may be better than just saying you will do this or else. Without the public support, no forced change is going to go as planned. If they let that "invisible hand" guide the change, it'll be much better. If not, well, most of these old farts coming up with this stuff will likely be dead when it is proven they were wrong. Again.

If they retro the penalties against fossil fuel cars, there likely will be a revolt. So far I've seen that only the "new" cars are going to be affected by all the changes in MPG averages, etc. I'm not against cleaner energy or EVs in general if that's what you want. I'm just not sure the current plan is going to work like they think it is. There's a lot of cart-putting before said horse and assumptions that electrical prices are going to stay low and affordable, which of course, it won't. They're trying to do this without fugging over the poorer people that can't afford all this EV crap and still have to drive to their crappy job, but yet, can't find that magic bullet to do it. They KNOW they're going to fugg them at some point, they just don't want to say it out loud.

And how many more birds must die from wind turbines? You don't hear about that for some reason. Bird lovers will tell you about it, though. It always sounds better when you say "Dinosaurs died millions of years ago so I can power my car with gas" than "Birds are murdered every day so I can drive my EV." But also, it's noted that some federally-protected birds in California are getting killed by wind turbines. Are the electric companies going to be held to account for killing federally-protected birds, or will they get a pass? They can do it, but you can't? EV's are not going to come without the problems that you don't see behind the curtain. Why can't they check "all the above" when it comes to energy development? Derp.

This is just all my opinion, of course. I just read today that Washington state is going to require ALL model year 2030 and beyond cars/trucks sold in Washington state be EV. Ok, lemme get my popcorn and see how this works out. 7.75 years away from that right now. They can't even keep their homeless crisis and crime in check, let alone get their electrical grids up to snuff for that changeover. Of course, they have wind powered turbines so they'll have plenty of bird meat to go around so you can pay your high electric bill. Anyway, this I got to see.... :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
 
It is all smoke and mirrors.


First of all cars aren't trucks or SUVs. They are making fewer cars and selling more of everything else. Fine. Kill off ICE cars that only the poors can afford and maintain. The not-poors will roll coal and electricity as it suits them.

Me? My garage is full of V8s and the tools, skills, and knowledge on how to keep them going. It is still cheaper than buying an EV and entering into their pay-to-play service model. And there is still a multi-billion dollar industry supporting them.

In short, it's only dead if you let it die. Be inactive, complacent, and compliant. Or get involved and hold your elected representatives to account. Demand to see concrete plans built on reason. Or don't and whine like little b*tches when your toys becomes regulated out of existence.
 
It is all smoke and mirrors.


First of all cars aren't trucks or SUVs. They are making fewer cars and selling more of everything else. Fine. Kill off ICE cars that only the poors can afford and maintain. The not-poors will roll coal and electricity as it suits them.

Me? My garage is full of V8s and the tools, skills, and knowledge on how to keep them going. It is still cheaper than buying an EV and entering into their pay-to-play service model. And there is still a multi-billion dollar industry supporting them.

In short, it's only dead if you let it die. Be inactive, complacent, and compliant. Or get involved and hold your elected representatives to account. Demand to see concrete plans built on reason. Or don't and whine like little b*tches when your toys becomes regulated out of existence.
I am wondering things are going to be like you part of the continent in 2035 when it's suppose to be the year north of the 49th new ICE powered rides will no longer be sold. I saw that in a news feed last night.
 
I am wondering things are going to be like you part of the continent in 2035 when it's suppose to be the year north of the 49th new ICE powered rides will no longer be sold. I saw that in a news feed last night.

I am pretty confident we will have a new Federal government that has no choice but to accept reality... or our Province will just unapologetically do it own thing.

Hell, Saskatchewan just launched its own provincial police force yesterday to distance itself from reliance on the RCMP.


We also just shot down digital ID.


EDIT: And we just gave a big middle finger to our unhinged criminal activist Environment Minister (who is anti-nuclear energy) and decided we'd just get cleaner electricity without Federal blessings.


The writing is on the wall that we're done f*cking around with the unsustainable progressive bullshit.
 
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To answer your topic question- not yet. EV's in the big scheme of things are not a huge sector of the driving public. Growing? Yes. But it's not as hugely popular as they would like it to be. I don't care what the tree-huggers say, the motoring public just isn't that hyped about EVs. Of course, that won't matter because the auto makers got duped and are "all in" on developing EVs, so much to the point they're abandoning gas powered vehicles for future plans. Talk about the Raw New Deal.

Here's one kicker for you...Cadillac is going all-electric by 2030 and have promised they will not unveil any new ICE cars anymore at car show events. Which is retarded since their current lineup of cars have ICEs. They're asking Cadillac dealers to upgrade their dealerships on THEIR OWN DIME (millions of $) to be able to support Cadillac EV servicing or risk losing Cadillac support. THEN they will reimburse dealerships. Our local Caddy dealer said hey GM...F.U. Their dealer lot is virtually empty of 2022 cars and trucks. How are they going to generate the funds to modify their dealership when GM won't build any cars because they're out of chips? So they're no longer going to be selling Cadillacs. Practically not selling any now. They even took an ad out in the paper to explain the move, it's that sad. Soon, the nearest Cadillac dealer will be about 50 minute drive away.

Just because you can now drive a Tyco slot car on the road, doesn't mean it's going to be more exciting. For one, it'll probably take you longer to get across country right now than it would in a comparable gas model.

Muckity Mucks that are pushing the EV technology completely lose sight of the fact that the current electrical grid status simply cannot, and will not, support a mass exodus from fossil fuel cars right away. And even if it could, you'll see that $12 recharge triple or more just to have a charging station due to the supply and demand shift, inflation, and other factors. I mean, no big deal, right, they're only on average $60K to get behind the wheel of an EV. Then it'll cost you at least 1/3 of the price of gas to "fill up". The current EV "tax break" incentive of 7700 or whatever it is just isn't enough anymore.

Change is inevitable. But when it's a forced change, it's never as good as an organic change that people actually and truly want. Financially incentivizing or de-centivizing the behavior may be better than just saying you will do this or else. Without the public support, no forced change is going to go as planned. If they let that "invisible hand" guide the change, it'll be much better. If not, well, most of these old farts coming up with this stuff will likely be dead when it is proven they were wrong. Again.

If they retro the penalties against fossil fuel cars, there likely will be a revolt. So far I've seen that only the "new" cars are going to be affected by all the changes in MPG averages, etc. I'm not against cleaner energy or EVs in general if that's what you want. I'm just not sure the current plan is going to work like they think it is. There's a lot of cart-putting before said horse and assumptions that electrical prices are going to stay low and affordable, which of course, it won't. They're trying to do this without fugging over the poorer people that can't afford all this EV crap and still have to drive to their crappy job, but yet, can't find that magic bullet to do it. They KNOW they're going to fugg them at some point, they just don't want to say it out loud.

And how many more birds must die from wind turbines? You don't hear about that for some reason. Bird lovers will tell you about it, though. It always sounds better when you say "Dinosaurs died millions of years ago so I can power my car with gas" than "Birds are murdered every day so I can drive my EV." But also, it's noted that some federally-protected birds in California are getting killed by wind turbines. Are the electric companies going to be held to account for killing federally-protected birds, or will they get a pass? They can do it, but you can't? EV's are not going to come without the problems that you don't see behind the curtain. Why can't they check "all the above" when it comes to energy development? Derp.

This is just all my opinion, of course. I just read today that Washington state is going to require ALL model year 2030 and beyond cars/trucks sold in Washington state be EV. Ok, lemme get my popcorn and see how this works out. 7.75 years away from that right now. They can't even keep their homeless crisis and crime in check, let alone get their electrical grids up to snuff for that changeover. Of course, they have wind powered turbines so they'll have plenty of bird meat to go around so you can pay your high electric bill. Anyway, this I got to see.... :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
Harley-Davidson did the same thing. Lost a lot of businesses cause the smaller guys couldn’t afford it. AMC/Jeep, Pontiac/Oldsmobile dealers same thing too.
 
:popcorn: just... you know. 😶
 
The very first cars were powered by steam. I don't know of any groups that are lamenting the demise of steam powered vehicles. Then some tried electric cars. They worked quite well but battery technology was woefully lacking. Then came the internal combustion engine but fuel was a problem. Some ran on kerosene or alcohol. Gasoline came much later. Thanks to the petroleum industry it made gasoline easily available and became commonplace. Electric golf carts have been around forever. Short term use only because batteries were the limiting factor again. The way I see it, electric cars have always been lurking in the background. The battery technology has finally caught up to the point where cars can go 400 miles on a charge. One day the batteries will be even better, last longer, and charging stations will be as commonplace as gas stations are now. That is going to take time but one day our cars will be museum pieces. So you will be scooting off to work in your state-of-the-art EV but on weekends you will be firing up your gas powered dinosaur to thrill the neighborhood kids. I don't see the problem.
 

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