1 7/8 inch headers

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kornball426

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What's worrisome is normal size intakes for the most part apparently don't fit those heads, I've heard multiple people say they tried like performer RPM air gap, etc. Typical street intakes and the ports don't line up because the intake is so much larger, I am worried I'll have the same problem with headers.
 

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Well... I went and made a half *ss template of the port with a piece of cardboard and over laid it on the inlet of the header of a 1 5/8 oval port header I had laying around. Way too small as I suspected, how much bigger I wonder is 1 3/4 oval, or the 1 3/4 D port from Dougs.

Crappy attached photo to show what I mean. The cardboard cutout is the dimensions of the port on the head. As you can see the flange on a small diameter header would obscure a good amount of the port, race car or not, that's just not good.
 

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And for shiz and giggles... Here's the port on a core 906 vortec head compared to the port on these Brodix heads.
 

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bracketchev1221

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If that’s all it covers I’d put a a 1 3/4” header on it and be done. That much is hurting zero!
 
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That definitely makes things easier... There's more options in 1 3/4 headers for cheaper if I can get away with that.
 

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That definitely makes things easier... There's more options in 1 3/4 headers for cheaper if I can get away with that.
I would. You’re right. Keeping the ac and wanting 1 7/8” headers is kinda a trade off especially for off the shelf headers. Otherwise the sky is the limit for custom headers.
 

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Big flow sbc heads can see up to a 10 hp & 7-12 ft/lb increase from headers with larger than 1- 5/8" primaries. (depending on cam, carb, etc.) Buying a set of steel headers in 1-3/4" or 1-7/8" and having them powder coated is an option. The powder coat process heats the item coated to over 400 degrees during the process, so exhaust heat should not be a problem. I bought a powder coat outfit and built an oven a couple of months ago. I have a set of headers I want to coat to see what happens. Once done, I will bolt them onto a stroker I am going to put in my 79 Bo. I am not anticipating any issues.
 
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In my opinion, if they can't be the same size, you are much better with a larger header primary opening bolting to a smaller head exhaust port.

The extra size of the header opening will slow exhaust gas velocity slightly but the extra space inside the header tube should still allow for laminar exhaust gas flow and not create (or increase) any additional back pressure.

The problem with a primary header tube smaller than the head exhaust port is not so much a matter of flow restriction, although there is that and it does have some degree of negative effect on hp & torque.

The real issue is that the interference caused by the smaller header tube against the larger exhaust port either causes or increases exhaust gas turbulence in the header. This affects exhaust gas speed all the way from the point where the turbulence is created (where the header tube blocks some of the head's exhaust port opening) to the far end of the exhaust system. Instead of having a relatively clear path for the gas to escape while moving in a single direction, the turbulence forces the gas to tumble (not move in a single direction) and push its way out of the exhaust. That means slower exhaust gas velocity and increased back pressure.

One of the main purposes of port matching and gasket trimming is to promote laminar exhaust gas flow coming out of the heads, through the manifold/headers and down the exhaust system. Laminar flow can dramatically increase exhaust gas velocity and this promotes more efficient combustion chamber exhaust scavenging, increasing the suction needed to pull in the maximum air/fuel charge for the next firing cycle. It also helps reduce or minimize back pressure.

There is also the issue of reverse gas pulses traveling back up the exhaust system to the combustion chamber but that is a bedtime story for another time.
 
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In my opinion, if they can't be the same size, you are much better with a larger header primary opening bolting to a smaller head exhaust port.

The extra size of the header opening will slow exhaust gas velocity slightly but the extra space inside the header tube should still allow for laminar exhaust gas flow and not create (or increase) any additional back pressure.

The problem with a primary header tube smaller than the head exhaust port is not so much a matter of flow restriction, although there is that and it does have some degree of negative effect on hp & torque.

The real issue is that the interference caused by the smaller header tube against the larger exhaust port either causes or increases exhaust gas turbulence in the header. This affects exhaust gas speed all the way from the point where the turbulence is created (where the header tube blocks some of the head's exhaust port opening) to the far end of the exhaust system. Instead of having a relatively clear path for the gas to escape while moving in a single direction, the turbulence forces the gas to tumble (not move in a single direction) and push its way out of the exhaust. That means slower exhaust gas velocity and increased back pressure.

One of the main purposes of port matching and gasket trimming is to promote laminar exhaust gas flow coming out of the heads, through the manifold/headers and down the exhaust system. Laminar flow can dramatically increase exhaust gas velocity and this promotes more efficient combustion chamber exhaust scavenging, increasing the suction needed to pull in the maximum air/fuel charge for the next firing cycle. It also helps reduce or minimize back pressure.

There is also the issue of reverse gas pulses traveling back up the exhaust system to the combustion chamber but that is a bedtime story for another time.

Yes, from what I understand having the actual exhaust port slightly smaller than the opening on the header (or manifold whatever the case may be) is a good thing to fight gas reversion... That meaning exhaust gasses flowing backwards through the exhaust valve and back into the cylinder at worst, or more likely basically just stalling the outward flow of exhaust gasses and hurting scavenging/cylinder filling with fresh air.

The same can be said about intake manifolds, the intuitive opinion would be that the port match from the manifold to the head ideally should be perfectly smooth. However evidence suggests it may actually be beneficial having a slight step up in size, the actual port dimensions of the head being slightly larger than the dimensions of the intake runner to keep flow from reversing back into the intake from the head.

However that's as far as my understanding goes, a hypothetical or lay academic theory. I don't know jack about mathematics or fluid/air dynamics to be able to explain or understand exactly how it works.

But I don't need an advanced degree to know if you've got a big fancy CNC ported head, it's stupid and going to hurt performance to put a header on it that the flange will actually be physically blocking a portion of the exhaust port.
 
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