2.0 EcoTec in a GBody?

[dogsht]

Yea actually 3,840 was with me a full tank of fuel and a full size spare.

 

[kornball426]

I dunno about better control... Torque breaks traction... If you can't hook you can't go fast. On the street I wouldn't be surprised to be beaten by rice. On the track with lots of grip on slicks... Mr. Domestic would murder Mr. Rice. :lol: Or if you have two cars of the same weight, and the same power... But one does 6,000 rpm and the other 8,000 with the same gears, presumably the one with the more revs will win because of just the fact that the engine with the lower RPM limit will run out of gears before it runs out of power.

Though I will say despite what the import people would have you believe... Domestics handle just fine, I saw a Monte SS in a magazine with nothing more than sticky tires and a full hotchkiss suspension kit pull better lateral G numbers than brand new Corvettes and other high end cars I believe the number was 0.96 which is quite impressive. Solid axle Shelby Cobra kits from Factory 5 (they claim) will pull over 1.05 G in corners on DOT rated track tires which is just about as good as any production car I've ever heard of.

 

[motorholmes]

Hmmm, I'm seeing over 200ft lbs of torque @ 2000 RPM thru 5500+ RPM

 

[Clone TIE Pilot]

Hmmm, I'm seeing over 200ft lbs of torque @ 2000 RPM thru 5500+ RPM

It's okay for a 4 cylinder, though it doesn't have 200 ft lbs of torque consistently from 2000 - 5500 RPM. Still I have seen that most V8s still have a better torque curve than that. Small displacement, turbo charged, high revving engines still have a few cons to large displacement engines. They are under more stress to make the same amount of power. They have more complex and expensive setups to make the same amount of power. They are harder to tune and less predictable. Usually have less Driveability than a large N/A engine of the same power. Needs a more complex transmission with more gears to keep the engine at it's peak RPM range. Lastly, you can use the same fancy and complex turbo tech on a larger displacement engine if you have the money.

 

[dogsht]

Its still not likely a particularly desirable or maybe even feasible setup. I don't know what the ecotech, transmission, & computer etc cost or what fabrication it requires to fit the motor, six speed, driveshaft, etc into a gbody. But you still end up with a not so fuel efficient not so exciting of a ride. Who wants to go thru all the work problem solving & expense to end up with about the same average 200 (boosted) foot pounds of torque to push you back in the seat as the weak smog V8s they put in these things?

On the higher rpm thing it does not equate a longer broader rpm power range. It just moves it up the scale where things are stressed harder. I always ask small block die hards if you want 500 HP would you rather have a motor that makes its power from 4,000 to 7,000 or one that makes it from 2,000 to 5,000? Its a 3,000 rpm power range either way.

Which ones going to live longer? Which one will make more torque? Which one does not require high end valve train to live or ultra low gears and high stall converters to get into its power band? Sorry to jump off on a tangent.

 

[Clone TIE Pilot]

Its still not likely a particularly desirable or maybe even feasible setup. I don't know what the ecotech, transmission, & computer etc cost or what fabrication it requires to fit the motor, six speed, driveshaft, etc into a gbody. But you still end up with a not so fuel efficient not so exciting of a ride. Who wants to go thru all the work problem solving & expense to end up with about the same average 200 (boosted) foot pounds of torque to push you back in the seat as the weak smog V8s they put in these things?

On the higher rpm thing it does not equate a longer broader rpm power range. It just moves it up the scale where things are stressed harder. I always ask small block die hards if you want 500 HP would you rather have a motor that makes its power from 4,000 to 7,000 or one that makes it from 2,000 to 5,000? Its a 3,000 rpm power range either way.

Which ones going to live longer? Which one will make more torque? Which one does not require high end valve train to live or ultra low gears and high stall converters to get into it power band? Sorry to jump off on a tangent.

Yep, in the end neither has a clear cut advantage

 

[jmt455]

I like the idea of the ecotec in a Fiero, or in a lightweight hot rod (like a 32 Ford!)

I'm still toying with the idea of building a Pontiac 350HO motor, backed up by a strengthened 200-4R and a 3.42 rear for my Bonneville. On paper, it looks like a fun "sleeper" combination.

A Pontiac 400 would be even more fun and cost about the same to build, but the 350 would be "different" and with the right heads/cam, it can make some decent torque.

 

[RITTER]

This cracks me up ... I guarantee that new Regal would rape more than half of the V8 Gbody's on this site :lol: And it weighs justas much and more than most of our GBody's :lol:

 

[olds307 and 403]

The new 4 and 6 cylinders are very impressive. Most new cars are very heavy due to options and crash standards. Look how plush the Olds interior is compared to the Malibu. Also a bigger car, My CSC was around 3900 pounds with full size spare, junk and 200 pound me.

 

[dogsht]

Yea a Pontiac 350HO would be different & cool especially backed by a 200-4R. Rock n Roll Pontiac racing or something like that had a 350 Pontiac on their site that was insanely fast. I think a 428HO would be cool and different also and move that long roof with authority.

There are LOTS of Fieros that have been built with all kinds of power plants. Some really clean & slick some cobbled. Even seen a 500 Cadillac in one useing the Eldo FWD setup.

Yea and if you read 78MC's post the lowly 245 HP Grand National stomped all over that new Regal :lol: