84 Grand National Vs 86 T-Type

[Chootoy]

I can choose only 1!!! The title might sound like there is an obvious choice....and maybe there is....but wanted to get the peanut gallery thoughts! Thanks all!

84 GN

1. VERY clean.
2. 8k of work just completed.
3. ~100k miles
4. asking 23k
5. honest 84 GN
6. ...no intercooler 🙂

86 T-Type

1. not so clean.
   1. Doors need to be rehung
   2. has some bubbles in the rear fender and wheel wells. 1 door replaced due to rust
   3. driver floor pan has been done due to rust
   4. frame is good
   5. paint looks good
2. 0k work done - tired suspension etc - probably needs 8-10k into it from the jump.
3. ~89k miles
4. some rare options (leather split bench, sunroof, my favorite color (Sandstone, blacked out)
5. asking 18k
6. ...intercooler 🙂

 

[Ribbedroof]

(c) Keep looking.....

 

[ck80]

The question is why you want it.

Investment you rub with a diaper and cruise on the road sometimes with no care for speed. That's the 84 gn.

If you want to mod something and make a monster on the track and off for racing? That's the 86 T-Type.

Side note, if the seats are what I think they are, they aren't original to the car. Someone swapped it in.

Also, with the rollover 5 digit odometer, it's pretty easy to add a 1 in front of whatever is there unless it is super clear it's clean, unrusted, unworn. So so don't count out the idea of being a 180k mile car.

 

[Chootoy]

The question is why you want it.

Investment you rub with a diaper and cruise on the road sometimes with no care for speed. That's the 84 gn.

If you want to mod something and make a monster on the track and off for racing? That's the 86 T-Type.

Side note, if the seats are what I think they are, they aren't original to the car. Someone swapped it in.

Also, with the rollover 5 digit odometer, it's pretty easy to add a 1 in front of whatever is there unless it is super clear it's clean, unrusted, unworn. So so don't count out the idea of being a 180k mile car.

These are the seats. Pretty sure original (leather has been refreshed, RPO code confirms leather). Carfax confirms mileage for the 86. The 84 certainly has rolled over.

 

[Ribbedroof]

Rust in the quarters is an automatic nope for me

 

[565bbchevy]

So the seats do appear to probably be correct for the 1986 leather option but it looks like someone did a headrest delete which IMO is not a smart move.
I found this picture of a 1987 T-Type with the same leather option and how the seats should look.

 

[Chootoy]

So the seats do appear to probably be correct for the 1986 leather option but it looks like someone did a headrest delete which IMO is not a smart move.
I found this picture of a 1987 T-Type with the same leather option and how the seats should look.

View attachment 197518

I just asked about the headrests, I guess they still have them.

 

[Chootoy]

here are the rusty bits of the 86

 

[ck80]

These are the seats. Pretty sure original (leather has been refreshed, RPO code confirms leather). Carfax confirms mileage for the 86. The 84 certainly has rolled over.

View attachment 197507

Seats are neither correct nor original for a 1986 T-Type.

Up until 1982 you could order a sport coupe with the limited interior trim package. Then same in 1983, first year of the T-Type.

However, from 1984 to 1986 you could NOT option the lc2 turbocharged 3 8 with the limited interior trim, ie, those pillow top seats.

In 1987 you could, once again, order a limited trim package (pillow top seats) with the LC2 turbocharged 6 as a 'T' package the name 't-type' not being used.

Now, the 'half console' aka non functional console with column shift in 1987 would have had a brushed stainless appearance instead of woodgrain, as would the door panels, dash plaque, etc.

No ttype or turbo t package after 1983 used woodgrain interior trim anywhere

Notice the insert trim on this console is woodgrain.

So what you have is someone bought a set of leather buckets, had them reupholstered in a close but not factory color (factory would be lighter tan like console, and installed them along with a pre-1987 non functional console in place of the factory seats from the car. Likely had steering wheel recovered at the same time.

The door panels with narrow escutcheon in brushes simulated stainless are correct for the 1986 ttype due to the ribbed breadboard double line pattern in the cloth, and, thenlow pile on the lower door panel rug indicates from a concert sound panel that was not part of a limited package, they had deeper pile.

 

[Chootoy]

Seats are neither correct nor original for a 1986 T-Type.

Up until 1982 you could order a sport coupe with the limited interior trim package. Then same in 1983, first year of the T-Type.

However, from 1984 to 1986 you could NOT option the lc2 turbocharged 3 8 with the limited interior trim, ie, those pillow top seats.

In 1987 you could, once again, order a limited trim package (pillow top seats) with the LC2 turbocharged 6 as a 'T' package the name 't-type' not being used.

Now, the 'half console' aka non functional console with column shift in 1987 would have had a brushed stainless appearance instead of woodgrain, as would the door panels, dash plaque, etc.

Notice the insert trim on this console is woodgrain.

So what you have is someone bought a set of leather buckets, had them reupholstered in a close but not factory color (factory would be lighter tan like console, and installed them along with a pre-1987 non functional console in place of the factory seats from the car. Likely had steering wheel recovered at the same time.

The door panels with narrow escutcheon in brushes simulated stainless are correct for the 1986 ttype due to the ribbed breadboard double line pattern in the cloth, and, thenlow pile on the lower door panel rug indicates from a concert sound panel that was not part of a limited package, they had deeper pile.

Also check this link. 86 t-type with same set up as this car...

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/2014/12/08/hemmings-find-of-the-day-1986-buick-regal-t-type