Any tips on a temporary fix floor pan rust hole

Sweet_Johnny

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One thing to remember about PBA is that its meant for attaching whole replacement panels designed for it, not patches. PBA has different expansion and contraction rates than metal which will make a PBA attached patch ghost up in temp changes. Moreover, body panels in modern cars are designed and stamped with attachment points meant for PBA, old car body panels not so much. Modern car body panels have 1 inch wide seams for PBA, most old car panels only have 1/4 inch seams for welding. Also PBA requires compression while it cures, if not clamped tightly the joint will be leak.

Just to be clear I am not saying PBA is bad,, but that every method is meant for different applications. That one method may be excellant for one application and poor for another. Old cars often require outdated methods because they are designed for them and modern methods are not always backwards compatible.
Excellent information/ advice, thank you. So in your opinion would utilizing PBA and a small patch in this scenario be acceptable at all or would you go directly to the welder? I'm always up for learning from others and appreciate the input.

I believe that I'd feel comfortable using PBA here unless the muffler was going to be directly beneath the patch, but even then it should be alright provided it's given the proper clearance for airflow. I imagine roughing up the mating surfaces via sandblast or 20-80 grit should provide ample grip for the adhesive to perform its duty, and I'd hold things in place via rivets, screws/nuts, or Clecos (best) while everything solidified and simply weld those little holes shut after the fact. Naturally, it all gets covered with epoxy primer to seal it. I admit that I have much to learn and would love to hear any and all feedback regarding this proposed fix.

I pose another question: In lieu of welding or "gluing" a patch in place would you consider brazing or even soldering one in? My thought being that so long as the two layers don't delaminate then we're alright, and I'm overlapping any patch by 1" and completely filling any and all voids between layers. I'd attempt to achieve that goal by using powdered bronze (filings) mixed with Borax OR a liquid solder paste and engage that with a MAPP or Propane torch. I'd also consider using the flux covered brazing rods and go at it like I was taught to do, but the former process intrigues me. Of course differing metals and corrosion is part of the equation but I see that as easily solved and therefore moot, and I hope we're all on the same page regarding the prep.

Like many here I was raised to think outside the box and come up with multiple ways of skinning the cat- not all of which would be acceptable on a customer's car- but I'm curious what others think of these ideas.
 
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I would weld a patch in.
 
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If it was just a hole from corrosion, then a patch over it would probably ok. Find where the water is coming in ... Seal it ... Cover it and then back in service.

But, when you see the crack, it's really more of a tear. So you have counter acting stresses in the horizontal plane and that won't go away. Cover with a patch and the tearing will still be present.

A proper repair would be to mig or tig in some fresh steel as a lap weld.
 
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If it was just a hole from corrosion, then a patch over it would probably ok. Find where the water is coming in ... Seal it ... Cover it and then back in service.

But, when you see the crack, it's really more of a tear. So you have counter acting stresses in the horizontal plane and that won't go away. Cover with a patch and the tearing will still be present.

A proper repair would be to mig or tig in some fresh steel as a lap weld.
I forgot about the crack/ tear. You're both right about welding being the better route.
 
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Here are a few tips about MIG welding thin autobody metal. Use .023 wire as it welds finer, almost like TIG. Check the contact tip stickout from the nozzle. Sometimes the contact tip doesn't stick out enough from the gas nozzle which effects your work distance. When done welding don't forget to rust proof the backside of your repair. One method I use is a aerosol can of 2K epoxy primer with an extension hose with a 360 spray nozzle. Just snake the hose to the pack and spray.
 
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Attached is pic of the floor pan.

Can you circle area you need?
 

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Chased

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One thing to remember about PBA is that its meant for attaching whole replacement panels designed for it, not patches. PBA has different expansion and contraction rates than metal which will make a PBA attached patch ghost up in temp changes. Moreover, body panels in modern cars are designed and stamped with attachment points meant for PBA, old car body panels not so much. Modern car body panels have 1 inch wide seams for PBA, most old car panels only have 1/4 inch seams for welding. Also PBA requires compression while it cures, if not clamped tightly the joint will be weak.

Just to be clear I am not saying PBA is bad,, but that every method is meant for different applications. That one method may be excellant for one application and poor for another. Old cars often require outdated methods because they are designed for them and modern methods are not always backwards compatible.
Good points and info brother
 
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Long story short. Just got the car the rear window has been leaking for quite some time. This is literally the only rot on the car. I really don’t want to start cutting the floor out. I’m thinking about cutting the bad and bending up a piece to fit. Body sealer and self tappers. I know I’m going to get flamed for this but paint and body is the last on my list.
Axisg suggested just what I was going to suggest.
 

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