Crane Cams Engine Management System (EMS) for CCC systems.

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That is a great find! Nice to see they were made, just wonder why there are not many floating around?
 
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It looks like this system would have been alot of fun for a CCC car. With those two knobs, one controls the A/F mixture while the others control the timing advance curve. It is such a shame the CCC doesn't have much support other than PROM burning and that free online software for laptops. But I have to agree that this probably came out to late to be that popular, heck G bodies were discontinued for 2 years when this came out.
 
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I would be thrilled to lay my hands on a complete, functioning setup.

This would be a ton of fun to play with.

Something else to add to the swap meet "look out" list.....

thanks for the info/postings
 
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Hi techg8 -
Just joined after finally seeing a hit on Google about the Crane Cams EPS. Are you still interested, and YES, they do exist. I have 2 of them. And the info about what happened at Crane Cams with this project. Mike.
 
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Loves302Chevy said:
Hi techg8 -
Just joined after finally seeing a hit on Google about the Crane Cams EPS. Are you still interested, and YES, they do exist. I have 2 of them.

Have you ever used one? If so, how did it work out for you?

And the info about what happened at Crane Cams with this project. Mike.

I'd be interested to know. Spill the beans!
 
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I would like to hear what happened too.
 
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Clone TIE Pilot said:
I would like to hear what happened too.
+1
 
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OK, here's what happened:
Crane Cams developed the EPS too early in my opinion. What I mean by that is I don't know of very many people who modify their brand new cars, certainly not like you can today. Remember, this was the mid 80s and computer control on vehicles was in its infancy. The project was already dead at the point where people were just beginning to understand and modify this new technology, and their cars now had some miles on them. Fuel injection was already replacing the computer-controlled carbs. And there was no internet and sites such as this to discuss these kinds of topics. Basically, you were on your own.

So Crane Cams developed this completely adjustable replacement computer - not just a chip. And they addressed every shortcoming of the GM CCC system. The following is from my aging memory. I can get more correct info when I dig them out of my closet. You had control of the Mixture Control Solenoid, the 3 parts of the electronic timing: static, vacuum, & centrifugal, the torque converter lockup, a mode switch for Emissions, Performance, & Open Loop for off-road use 🙂 , and other functions I can't remember right now. It also has a basic narrow band rich/lean indicator to monitor the mixture via the O2 sensor.

In an older Crane catalog I have, the unit's price was $500. Too rich for my blood. Sometime later, I don't remember how or where, but I saw it was selling for $200, I believe. I called Crane and got to talk to the engineer that headed the project. He told me that the unit I would receive would be a little bit different than pictured on the box. He went on to tell me that the EPA (EMISSIONS) got wind of the amount of control this had over the engine, esp. OPEN LOOP MODE, and they were told that if they wanted to continue selling it, they had to modify it or scrap the whole project. So Crane had no choice but to modify, which killed about 75% of what the unit was designed for. :blam: This was the reason for the lower price, and if and when the units were all sold, or by whatever a certain date was - the project was dead and the remaining units were going in the dumpster. So this engineer's days at Crane were already coming to an end, and he was not too happy. 😢

So I ordered 1 unit and since I am an electronic technician, I could easily see how it was modified. I had it back to their original design before I ever plugged it into my car for the first time! :mrgreen: It worked very well on my stock plus a few upgrades H code engine, and I needed this thing because I was planning a hot 334 build, and there was talk of CT adopting California emissions standards at the time.

A short while later, I called Crane again and ordered a spare EPS. I talked to the same engineer, and told him how I put it back to original, which he appreciated. Since his job was all done, he really didn't care about sharing any "secrets". So along with the spare EPS, he included some paperwork. I don't want to say what it was here, because even though its 20 years later, and the new Crane is not the old Crane (you all know they went out of business in 2009 and S&S Cycle bought them), I don't want to get myself or that engineer in trouble.

MORE TO COME LATER.
 
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Very cool. There is that kind of tuning out there for TBI but there is nothing for the CCC. Too bad they are so rare
 
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I dug them out of the closet. The unit also provided adjustable control of the IDLE A/F ratio, torque converter lockup, electric fan temp, and ignition retard (knock sensor) - which could also be used as an automatic retard for nitrous or boosted applications. Included was a 160* thermostat and gasket, and instructions to cutout the A/C compressor clutch under WOT conditions. If your car did not already have it, there were also instructions to add electric fan control and the GM Electronic Spark Control, ESC, knock sensor. The unit also eliminated the torque converter "hunting." The switch positions on the remote for the TCC are OFF - AUTO - ON.

I still have my 84 TransAm and I am hoping to get it back on the road this summer. It's been sitting for over 12 years. I parked it when the 334 developed a tick/knock. Sounds like a lifter, but it's definitely not. I got to the point that I could change out all 16 lifters and have the car back on the road in 1 hour - start to finish - NO LIE. You can save a ton of time by not having to remove the intake manifold! :mrgreen:
I'm pretty sure I damaged the Keith Black Hyper pistons from running lean at WOT 1 too many times. I am a victim of the small fuel lines coming from the tank. I did not upgrade to larger lines, and the stock ones are a huge restriction. I had to change EVERYTHING in that car as I found out that every system was sized to allow only about 200 HP - not much more! The engine had to appear stock under the hood and pass emissions, which it did easily. I was using a Gtech and any clear stretch of flat highway to do 1/4 mile runs. The better I got the car tuned, the more HP I made, and the greater the following problem became - but I did not know what it was at the time. :wtf:

I would nail the throttle from a dead stop, the car would react very slowly off the line until I reached about 3000 rpm and then take off like a bat out of hell. I would go thru 1st gear, thru 2nd, and just after I shifted into drive, the engine would go flat as if someone turned it off. All the while with the pedal to the metal. A few seconds later it would start to stumble and pick back up. And it would still finish the quarter mile at over 100 mph. If I remember correctly, the best run was 14.6 @ 112 mph before "something" happened and it got slower and slower after that.
The carb's bowls were running out of fuel, and bigger pumps would not help. I band-aided the problem by installing a small electronic fuel pump near the tank to push the fuel to the block mounted mechanical pump. But the damage was already done to the engine. It now fouls the plugs quickly and sprays oil right out of the tailpipe.

Since the car is over 25 years old now, it no longer has to go thru emissions. Eventually, I want the 334 back in it with the computer controlled QJet. It was working great and I was almost done. I just wanted the car to run as fast as it looked. Until I get the engine apart I won't know how bad the damage is - hopefully minor. When I pull the 334, I have a 302 Chevy that I have been putting together for about 25 years and I started "taking it down a few notches" to try it out in the T/A - not computer controlled. Maybe I will abandon the computer completely - or I can use the stock computer with my stage 2 JET chip - which also worked well with the 305, but I can't remember if I ever tried it with the 334. Which ever way I go, the air pump and all it's hoses and valves and wiring are never going back under that hood. Mike.
 
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