Value is always subjective. What some would pay 4K for, some will be willing to give 6K for. And so it goes. One could argue that all day long. It really will end up what the seller takes in the end. That's the going rate. Asking prices are usually wishful thinking.
Appraisals are sort of spongy too, in the fact that there's no harmonized standard to judge a car's value by. For example, this subject here got appraised for 12.5K. In another location, would it be 9500? Who knows? I didn't study the appraisal that deeply, but it did allude to it being a Hurst>442. Whatever that means.
If 7900 is his asking price, I still stand by him getting offered a bit less. I would have no idea of his floor price, but it still appears to me the car is "fixable" without any major permanent damage (like the spoiler deck holes). One great thing about it is that it has no vinyl roof.
No one here was bashing you. But seemingly from your standpoint, it seems anyone who disagrees with you or has another point of view is bashing you. You're not the only one with many years of G-body experience up in here. We all don't know everything about what they did when building these cars. Even GM can't tell you half the time. Especially as far as where they used which type of paint. This could vary greatly and there's not a database anywhere that says they used this type of paint here and that type of paint there during which parts of which years. That's why we're here. To share and learn from each other. If I wanted to bash your ideas, I'd have just said you were incorrect and then run off.
Interestingly, during my search for the proof you desire, I found where you made the claim yourself several years back that your 86 442 has bc/cc in this post, so which is it?
i "think" that most 84 and back g's had laquer and then there was both single stage and base clear jobs on g bodies. my 86 442 had base clear on it and i am guessing most high line g bodies but there were also case line cars that had base/clear that i have seen. there is info out there on this...
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There was a long period of time, which spanned more than a decade, before GM swapped everything over from lacquer and enamel to bc/cc and that depended on the plant, and even sometimes in the same plant with multiple makes they would use different types of paint. GM was weird that way. My dad worked for Corvette and when they moved the plant to Bowling Green, KY from St. Louis, he said they started to use clear coats on all the Corvettes when they started up, where they did not in St. Louis. There are some reports that some late 85 F-bodies had clear coats (they started whole hog use on F-body in 1986), but I don't know much about that as I've never seen any evidence to say one way or another.
Based on what I do know about 86 Olds SPIDs, that was the year that seemingly showed the RPO color code in the RPO listing, but the WA numbers or any other color references at the bottom of the SPID weren't there in most instances. This may not be true on every 86 Olds, but for US built cars, that's pretty much what I've seen. Other makes did have that info. WTF? I have come to the conclusion that there were certain leeways (outside of mandatory info) given to each assembly plant as to what information was on the SPID labels and how it was presented.
I haven't came in contact with that many 86 cars, but I do recall a light blue metallic (I've always hated that color) 86 Cutlass the guy down the street had and the paint started to fade, check, and burn on it, so it could not have been base clear. Otherwise it would have frosted and peeled as it degraded. It would not surprise me if the 86 G-cars has some base clear and some lacquer, especially if they were made at different plants. I'm not a paint expert. And it doesn't make much difference to me, in actuality.
And I'll be the first to admit I'm not Regal-Knowledgeable. However, I did find evidence of lacquer being used on 86 GNs, which most of them probably were. But I know for certain my buddy's 86 GN he bought brand new off the lot had a base/clear on it. Otherwise it wouldn't have peeled like it did, which I saw with my own eyes. They initially claimed he wasn't washing it properly peeling the clearcoat. Dafuq? He pampered that car. It was a big deal at the time, although it was more about how GM was trying to be dlckholes about fixing it 8 months into his ownership.
The thing is, I don't know if they used lacquer just on early 86 GN's or when the paint went to base/clear or did they go the other way? Back then I didn't follow the G-bodies that much because they were "new cars", but I know the issues his particular car went through. Because of his issues, back then I thought lacquer was the cat's azz and I wouldn't want to paint my car base/clear. How times have changed. I still don't WANT to repaint my 85 in bc/cc, but I'm not likely going to have much choice. Can you still paint lacquer in Canada? Or even get it?
Even with all that, you haven't convinced me about the value of an 87 simply based on the type of paint. I don't think just having bc/cc means much as far as overall value. The quality of the existing paint job is what matters most IMO. Some people love the Euro noses which makes them likely a bit more popular and not as frequent as the quad headlight style, so I'd place that as a value adder perhaps. I personally like the quad headlight system just a bit better, but it's the overall body lines of a G47 Olds, 442, Salon, Supreme, Classic, base/clear paint, or not, that make them my favorite G-body. I've also seen 84 and 85 cars priced higher than 87 cars of what I would consider equal condition. It's going to vary a lot on location, condition, and many other factors.
But you stated that 87 Cutlasses were the only ones to get bc/cc and all I was trying to say is that the Ste. Therese-built 87 Cutlasses were, indeed, lacquer. I'm sure many GN's and the majority of the G-bodies got lacquer paint jobs as well. But the ones that are left get repainted in bc/cc so the number of bc/cc paint jobs is rising from the restorations. It's just when you start throwing out the terms like "only", sometimes there are other examples that actually exist. I did also find that they built Monte Carlos in Arlington in 87 as well and those were lacquer. Maybe those Monte nuts may know whether any of the Montes got a bc/cc? Or were all of them lacquer?
I also do not agree that the GN was a "high-end" car. That's just another opinion. To me, all of them were G-bodies, so inherently they weren't high-end. Fit and finish was fairly poor across the genre, generally speaking.
Here's a spid from a teal metallic 87 Salon V8 T-top made at Ste. Therese with lacquer paint for sale, 19K miles. And it's priced pretty sporty IMO. If it were bc/cc, I don't think it would affect the price, IMO. Nice car, but oof, that price tag.
Good to know. You should find a JP or JR in the middle of your VIN right before the last 6 sequential numbers. The "J" is for model year 8, as in '88. The P would be for Pontiac assembly plant, and the R would be for Arlington assembly plant, if they even built any '88s in Arlington. You should have either a Sept, Oct, Nov, or maybe Dec 87 door jamb decal build month/year as well, as December was the last hoorah for the G-body at the Pontiac plant. I don't know the official drop dead date for the Montes but I have seen 11/87 cars.
I don't think Arlington knew what bc/cc was apparently as I don't recall any car coming out of there having bc/cc. It may be that the bodies in Pontiac were built/painted at Fisher plant and trucked over to the assembly plant. Maybe Arlington painted them there at the assembly plant? I dunno.
If you had an F, it would be for 85, a G, it would be 86, H for 87, and they skipped the "I" on year ID's because of potential confusion with a "1". They went right to "J" for 1988. That was the idea anyway.
Found this on MontecarloSS.com, imagine that...so I would surmise your car was built in Pontiac.
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Q: Where was the 4th Generation Monte Carlo SS built?
All 1983 through 1986 SSs were built in Arlington, TX.
Approximately 75% of all 1987 SSs were built in Pontiac, MI, the remaining 25% were built in Arlington, TX.
All 1988 SSs were built in Pontiac, MI.
All 1986 Aerocoupes were built in Arlington, TX, while all 1987 Aerocoupes were built in Pontiac, MI.
Youd be tight about the "P". So built in Pontiac, Michigan. Thanks thats pretty cool. I actually thought it was built in texas. I actually like the cutlass at the top. Price seems close. Plus im sure you can talk him down.If I ever buy another classic Ill most definitely save for a nice rust free car. Probably..
Rust free, or "minimal corrosion" is nice, but there are sometimes those cars that aren't at all pristine that call to us. And then money starts to burn a hole in our pockets and *poof*. Instant project! 🙂
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